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post #51 of 61 (permalink) Old 10-08-2013, 10:57 AM
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You must have been extremely high to miss the blatant shorts holding. I think he did it more then iv ever seen in a fight. All cause he didnt want to be taken down again.

Lol you need to find out what Cheating means. Following the rules isnt cheating. Until the state atheltic commission changes their rules then Chael isnt cheating. End of Discussion no matter how much you hate Chael.
Have you actually read what Liddellianenko has written¿ He speaks of the first Silva fight as blatantly cheating and makes it clear that after Sonnen getting the exemption later, it's only his opinion that it's a loophole for cheating, while officially it's not cheating. (btw. Sonnen failed in all TD attempts later on, even without Silva grabbing the shorts)

Concerning Silva, shorts grabbing is under the discretion of the referee. He didn't disqualify him, he didn't even deduct a point. So officially it wasn't cheating. End of discussion, no matter how much you hate Silva. On the other hand, Sonnen was suspended for a whole year by the same state athletic commission you want to draw on to. So obviously he didn't follow the rules, hence he was cheating.
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Just making sure general insults do not turn into personal insults....
Thank you for admitting publicly I broke no rules.
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Thank you for admitting publicly I broke no rules.
I can turn it into a full infraction if you want?
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I can turn it into a full infraction if you want?
For what? I'm just ask'n.
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For what? I'm just ask'n.
Whilst not directly calling any specific poster an idiot, you implied that anyone who disagreed with you was an idiot.

That is why you were warned (not infracted), just like Ape said in the message he sent with the warning.
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Whilst not directly calling any specific poster an idiot, you implied that anyone who disagreed with you was an idiot.

That is why you were warned (not infracted), just like Ape said in the message he sent with the warning.
But some people are idiots who hold certain views. There are idiotic things that are widely believed. Unless you're a full blown relativist, you believe the same thing. Don't you believe some views are idiotic? Don't you express this very notion at times?

Now if general statements like this are against the rules, fine, I'll refrain. I just din't know they were.
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But some people are idiots who hold certain views. There are idiotic things that are widely believed. Unless you're a full blown relativist, you believe the same thing. Don't you believe some views are idiotic? Don't you express this very notion at times?

Now if general statements like this are against the rules, fine, I'll refrain. I just din't know they were.
To outright say 'if you dont believe this you are an idiot yada yada yada' in a thread with 2 obviously differing points of view, then you are calling everyone who doesnt think the same as you, idiots. that is not a 'general' statement.

If you want to discuss this further, feel free to PM Ape or myself, otherwise, back on topic please.
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To outright say 'if you dont believe this you are an idiot yada yada yada' in a thread with 2 obviously differing points of view, then you are calling everyone who doesnt think the same as you, idiots. that is not a 'general' statement....
Mmmmm, yeah, that makes sense. I get the distinction. Just ask'n.
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Gee whiz another fun thread turned into waaa waaa sonen is a cheater/douche waaa waaa just like the 6000 before it.

nice work.



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Have you actually read what Liddellianenko has written¿ He speaks of the first Silva fight as blatantly cheating and makes it clear that after Sonnen getting the exemption later, it's only his opinion that it's a loophole for cheating, while officially it's not cheating. (btw. Sonnen failed in all TD attempts later on, even without Silva grabbing the shorts)

Concerning Silva, shorts grabbing is under the discretion of the referee. He didn't disqualify him, he didn't even deduct a point. So officially it wasn't cheating. End of discussion, no matter how much you hate Silva. On the other hand, Sonnen was suspended for a whole year by the same state athletic commission you want to draw on to. So obviously he didn't follow the rules, hence he was cheating.

Like you just said its not cheating.

He did cheat

Now he is not cheating.

Peoples opinions dont matter its the facts that matter and those facts are that Chael Sonnen is doing everything within the rules currently set. Thats all there is to it. To say he is currently cheating is just plain wrong.


Actually holding an opponents shorts is AGAINST THE UNIFIED RULES OF MMA. Maybe you should read up a bit before you try to be a smartass cause there isnt anything smart about it. So yeah VERY OFFICIALLY AS OFFICIALLY AS IT GETS he was cheating. The referee does not need to deduct a point to make it cheating thats just some stupid nonsense you concocted in your head to try and make an argument which you obviously cant make.


Plunging your fingers in someones eye to purposely blind them does not make it not cheating if the ref does not say deduct a point. All it does is make the ref incompetent. There are rules set in place and if your break those rules well your broke those rules. No amount of tap dancing around it is going to change that fact. And the REF did tell Anderson he cant do that.



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Holding or grabbing the fence
Holding opponent’s shorts or gloves
Butting with the head
Biting or spitting at an opponent
Hair pulling
Fish-hooking
Intentionally placing a finger into any orifice, or into any cut or laceration of your opponent
Eye gouging of any kind
Groin attacks of any kind
Downward pointing of elbow strikes (see Elbow strike)
Small joint manipulation
Strikes to the spine or back of the head (see Rabbit punch)
Heel kicks to the kidney
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Its at the refs discretion to deduct a point or not. Not to make a decision whether shorts holding is okay or not okay. The rule has already been set and guess what it is NOT OKAY. And again i repeat the REF did tell Anderson that its not okay.

Hell i dont think Anderson should have been punished for it. But that does not mean im not going to call it for what it is.

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