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Old 10-05-2013, 09:19 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I honestly don't think the spinning elbow is as difficult or risky as its being made out to be. It's a relatively simple technique; the main issue is the timing and setup.

The risk isn't that great because of it's surprise element. Even if you throw it 5 times in a fight, its still not a technique that your opponent expects or reacts to quickly.

Compared to throwing a regular body kick or low kick where the opponent can check with a shin, grab your leg, or counter to your unguarded side, there isn't much of a devastating counter to a spinning move.
Advanced strikers can see a set up for spinning elbows a mile away ,and if you're in the center of the cage you will get taken down if its a miss ,unlike a check kick.Also the best way to catch somebody is if you're out of position your self, or if the other person is against the cage and has no room to dodge or back up.


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Old 10-05-2013, 09:19 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Iv also never seen that technique Jones used against Rashad before. Where you hold hands and then drop elbows. That was quiet strange and effective.
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Old 10-06-2013, 03:39 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Iv also never seen that technique Jones used against Rashad before. Where you hold hands and then drop elbows. That was quiet strange and effective.
i think that only worked because rashad was stupid.
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i think that only worked because rashad was stupid.
I did remember thinking how weird it is that Rashad cant catch him coming in with those. But what the hell do i know... i think that often when im watching fights so im sure its harder then it looks.

And i also kept thinking hand holding is clearly not working for you so why the hell do you keep doing it.
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I believe a big reason why Jones has more success with these elbow strikes is because his arms are much longer then almost any other fighter. He doesn't have to get as close to land an elbow strike and that allows him to throw them from a distance.
Bingo! Plus he dips his shoulder low feinting a takedown then spins. First time I saw a fighter bounce off the canvas and not get KOed was Bonnar.

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Iv also never seen that technique Jones used against Rashad before. Where you hold hands and then drop elbows. That was quiet strange and effective.
Kenflo loved using elbows and Anderson vs Chael in the mid rounds in their first bout. He throws a wicked downward elbow stunning Chael. The LHW title holder mimics a TON of moves from Anderson. Only ones I've seen him use are the spinning elbows, chin butt when he's in top position (terrible), and the upperwards shoulder block which is also tacky. He's trying to "invent" something to call his own I guess.

Pettis bouncing off the cage with a flying knee to Cerrone's cranium. That's sick! The one hand stand Capoeira kick he always tries to land.
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Its why jones is so effective, people think its because he uses his reach so well, but people are worried about closing that distance when there just getting smashed with elbows or dumped on the floor with a trip.
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IM pretty sure Shonie Carter was the first to do both the spinning back fist and the spinning back elbow the latter of which knocked Matt Serra down in their epic fight.

More effective is the stepping elbow to the face that jones uses, I think he was the first guy to bring that to the table, seems a pretty devastating technique. Only seen Vera use it other then jones
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I think it's just because people have only now "discovered" it ... slowly it will become staple like a lot of other things.

Most fighters are conservative, they only want to try out the few techniques that others have "proven" to be safe and cage worthy. There's a reason for this, because back in the early days a lot of guys would get absolutely smashed trying out flying kicks, drop kicks, off balance flips or trips etc that got them countered or taken down. It's one thing to try these things in sparring where the counter won't knock your lights out, another entirely in a fight.

Usually the ones that push the barrier are the super-elites and champs who are so far above everyone they face in terms of reaction time, TDD, defense etc. (like Anderson, GSP, Jones, Machida) that they can afford to try out new stuff without getting clobbered down the ladder for a few seconds worth of experimenting.

Just a few years ago you hardly saw anyone use the teep / front kick, or if they did it was more of a push kick to the body instead of a power kick to the head. Anderson KOs Belfort with it, then Browne KOs Overeem with it, and suddenly the floodgates have opened. Now you can hardly go 3 fights without someone attempting one. Same with the high kick 7-8 years ago ... at the time only CroCop and a couple of others ever threw it, the rest only used low kicks for fear of being caught off balance. Then Gonzaga crocopped crocop, and people realized you don't have to be an elite K1 kickboxer to throw it well.
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But there are other great fighters who have used it:

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Then Gonzaga crocopped crocop, and people realized you don't have to be an elite K1 kickboxer to throw it well.
And that I guess was the most evident example of how effective and deadly the element of surprise can be. Who would wonder something like that coming from Gonzaga and.......against Crocop?
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