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Old 10-06-2013, 02:44 PM   #21 (permalink)
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Advanced strikers can see a set up for spinning elbows a mile away ,and if you're in the center of the cage you will get taken down if its a miss ,unlike a check kick.Also the best way to catch somebody is if you're out of position your self, or if the other person is against the cage and has no room to dodge or back up.


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You don't even need to be an advanced striker, the majority of Jones' spins are really telegraphed. He has a tendency to spam them like crazy until he lands one. He threw it repeatedly at Gus and Gus easily avoided most of them until he got too confident with his jab and Jones got his spacing a little better. But the ones against rampage and shogun were so obvious it was sad to see those guys get hit with them. Even against Bonnar was a little obvious just no one had seen it yet. Point being of he set it up that way now everyone would be going here comes the elbow.

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Old 10-06-2013, 03:25 PM   #22 (permalink)
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It's one of his favorite bedroom techniques. He used to practice them on his pillow while watching manga fights on Youtube. There's nothing special about it, he's just learnt to throw the move ridiculously quickly.

It's hurt some, others have shrugged it off, lot of the time it misses, could quite easily dislocate your elbow attempting it.
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Old 10-06-2013, 04:05 PM   #23 (permalink)
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You don't even need to be an advanced striker, the majority of Jones' spins are really telegraphed. He has a tendency to spam them like crazy until he lands one. He threw it repeatedly at Gus and Gus easily avoided most of them until he got too confident with his jab and Jones got his spacing a little better. But the ones against rampage and shogun were so obvious it was sad to see those guys get hit with them. Even against Bonnar was a little obvious just no one had seen it yet. Point being of he set it up that way now everyone would be going here comes the elbow.
Agree with that. Man, Anderson, being a phenomenal body reader, was completely ducked even before Sonnen start his spinning, so for a regular guy should be easier to get out of the way even with less margin. It's amazing to watch that gif over and over.
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Agree with that. Man, Anderson, being a phenomenal body reader, was completely ducked even before Sonnen start his spinning,
Hardly, Silva was ducking the left hand, he had no clue about the spin coming after it... you can see from the gif he wasn't even looking at Sonnen as he started to spin.
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Hardly, Silva was ducking the left hand, he had no clue about the spin coming after it... you can see from the gif he wasn't even looking at Sonnen as he started to spin.
To be honest, Anderson ducked even before that left hand was thrown. The spin that followed he learned by reading from Sonnen's toes, young Grasshopper.
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To be honest, Anderson ducked even before that left hand was thrown. The spin that followed he learned by reading from Sonnen's toes, young Grasshopper.
Na, that was just the natural rolling maneuver. He would of done that no matter what Sonnen followed up with.
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You don't even need to be an advanced striker, the majority of Jones' spins are really telegraphed. He has a tendency to spam them like crazy until he lands one. He threw it repeatedly at Gus and Gus easily avoided most of them until he got too confident with his jab and Jones got his spacing a little better. But the ones against rampage and shogun were so obvious it was sad to see those guys get hit with them. Even against Bonnar was a little obvious just no one had seen it yet. Point being of he set it up that way now everyone would be going here comes the elbow.

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50/50 really. he threw about four and dodges two but one landed though not as clean and then the other one did.
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And that I guess was the most evident example of how effective and deadly the element of surprise can be. Who would wonder something like that coming from Gonzaga and.......against Crocop?
Lol not me, I nearly had a heart attack with that one . One moment I was explaining to the guy I was with at the bar (who was kind of a casual fan) how this imported guy is the #2 HW in the world and how he's going to tear through the weak UFC division, the next thing I'm looking at his crazy crooked leg under his limp body and hoping he wakes up in one piece!

You're totally right, the element of surprise is the crucial thing, once a technique becomes "standard" people learn to defend it better. And it's especially surprising if someone you don't expect, like Gonzaga, throws something new.

You don't see nearly as many high kicks land now, most of them are blocked, but back then it's like no one had the reflex reactions to deal with them because no one trained them. At one point no one had any idea on how to deal with the Muay Thai clinch and were always caught by surprise with it, now people immediately go for the underhooks etc.
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Na, that was just the natural rolling maneuver. He would of done that no matter what Sonnen followed up with.
As a fan urself you know how Anderson's reflexes are. It's definitely spider like.

- catches James Irvin's FIRST leg kick and knocks him out
- almost does the same thing against Forrest. If you watch that fight the way I did 23 times you'll see he blocks BEFORE Griffin launches an attack or moves out of the way before anything. It was insane man.
- In the Patrick Cote fight he showed a lot of great reflexes. Cote tried the takedown and Anderson pirouetted out of the way. They clinched, as they separated Cote tried nailing him with a right hook which Anderson moved out of.
- Vitor fight probably showed his reflex at the highest level. People don't even realize how many times Vitor could have ended it.
a.) Vitor draws first blood and Anderson moves inches away from that vaunted left right that Vitor does before he goes on the blitz.
b.) as they circle Anderson attempts a round house where Vitor ducks, takes Anderson down...in MID AIR he swings a left cross that Anderson miraculously ducks...in mid air. Once they hit the ground Vitor swings again with a right cross where Anderson moves out of the way. Then he scrambles back on the feet.
c.) Crowd cheering, both kick each other...Vitor launches one last left + right combo where Anderson clearly dodges it. Not even close. THAT'S when Vitor broke.

Anderson saw the spinning movement from Chael before it even happened.

Against Weidman he "was" doing the same, but he played too much and got rocked on multiple occasions even before he got knocked out. The reach of Weidman, multiple combinations, threw em off guard. I'm very curious to see a game Anderson in the rematch w/o any goading.

Otherwise I do agree that once a move is studied it becomes standard and easier to defend against. Now it's all about the inverted jellyfish guard...haha!
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