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post #1 of 29 (permalink) Old 10-05-2013, 04:15 PM Thread Starter
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Something strange about Jones spinning elbow technique!

Isn't it strange that Jones spinning elbow technique hasn't been used by no one else in the UFC.. I can't say MMA, because I really don't know that for sure!

I mean, when moves become popular and effective they are acquired by many good fighters, and the strange thing here is that fighters are willing to do dropkicks, front kicks, double knee attacks, huge slams, crazy submissions.. even piledrivers, but they clearly stay away from and don't use this really effective attack. Jones has turned many fights around with his "special move", but there aren't fighters among the UFC divisions, which have tried it or even thought of it's usage in a fight.

I know that Pettis is a case study too.. but his attacks from the cage are too hard to be emulated that easy by the rest of the roster. You truly have to be a "ninja" to deliver such attacks successfully.

It's just a bit odd that a move like that, an innovative and useful attack like this one, just hasn't been used by any fighter in the UFC... what do you guys think about the topic?
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Very short ranged attack that leaves your self open for a td.


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Isn't it strange that Jones spinning elbow technique hasn't been used by no one else in the UFC.. I can't say MMA, because I really don't know that for sure!

I mean, when moves become popular and effective they are acquired by many good fighters, and the strange thing here is that fighters are willing to do dropkicks, front kicks, double knee attacks, huge slams, crazy submissions.. even piledrivers, but they clearly stay away from and don't use this really effective attack. Jones has turned many fights around with his "special move", but there aren't fighters among the UFC divisions, which have tried it or even thought of it's usage in a fight.

I know that Pettis is a case study too.. but his attacks from the cage are too hard to be emulated that easy by the rest of the roster. You truly have to be a "ninja" to deliver such attacks successfully.

It's just a bit odd that a move like that, an innovative and useful attack like this one, just hasn't been used by any fighter in the UFC... what do you guys think about the topic?
The unpredictability of the spinning elbow is what makes it work. Others have and do throw it but very few can use it as fluidly as Jones. It's also a very high risk move as you risk giving up your back at close range and that said jones long reach allows him to throw it from further away.


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Isn't it strange that Jones spinning elbow technique hasn't been used by no one else in the UFC.. I can't say MMA, because I really don't know that for sure!

I mean, when moves become popular and effective they are acquired by many good fighters, and the strange thing here is that fighters are willing to do dropkicks, front kicks, double knee attacks, huge slams, crazy submissions.. even piledrivers, but they clearly stay away from and don't use this really effective attack. Jones has turned many fights around with his "special move", but there aren't fighters among the UFC divisions, which have tried it or even thought of it's usage in a fight.

I know that Pettis is a case study too.. but his attacks from the cage are too hard to be emulated that easy by the rest of the roster. You truly have to be a "ninja" to deliver such attacks successfully.

It's just a bit odd that a move like that, an innovative and useful attack like this one, just hasn't been used by any fighter in the UFC... what do you guys think about the topic?
But there are other great fighters who have used it:



It's a move that is not easy to use effectively. One factor is height. You can generate more power with it, if you're taller than your opponent. That's why Jones' spinning elbows are so devastating. Against Gustafson, the latter was basically ducking into the incoming strike. Also, as Toxic wrote, it's a pretty risky move. If your opponent has his guard up, you can easily find yourself in a position with your back to the opponent and the latter could easily get his arm around your neck and jump on you for a RNC.

Also, it takes time to incorporate a new technique. Until recently, in MMA it was all about only learning the "most effective" core techniques and abandon all the flashy stuff. If you have never used such a technique, it will take years of training until you can use it effectively in an actual fight. Jones has always used unorthodox techniques and because of his physical advantages, he could be self confident enough to recklessly try things out. When you overwhelm your opponent for most of the fight and he is mostly on the defence, it's easier to use unorthodox techniques.
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Chael should of punched a hole through Silvas chest instead of throwing spinning shit.


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I have seen a couple other people go for it in the UFC. I would say it is less risky than a spinning back fist in general. Since it is a short range attack for most people there is less time for your opponent to react to it. It is something that should mostly be thrown to finish an inside combination or coming out of a clinch along the fence.

MMA has a lot of bad striking coaches. They are only being taught really basic combinations and tactics. No one was throwing snap kicks to the jawline until Andy KOed Belfort with one. You see guys like Barao, Siver, and Cung having great success with spinning kicks. They really aren't high risk attacks if you are good at doing them and use them at the proper times. It isn't like using a do mawashi kaiten geri where you are going to end up on the ground.
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I think that the move can be used from a close range as well, for example near the cage. Yeah, it's a flashy technique and it's hard to perfect, but Jones isn't the only professional in the UFC... and there are a lot of tall, lanky fighters with good wrestling (good wrestling for avoiding follow-up takedowns and such), who can learn to use it in an actual fight.

Chael, Chael, Chael.. you're ruining my thread, but I do think that was a Spinning Back Fist and not the flashy elbow against Silva. Lol, just remembered that Gustaffson nailed Jones hard with that elbow in their fight! Now it's hard to argue with the success rate of that elbow attack. Well, in conclusion even if it is risky I still do think that fighters should use it more.

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I honestly don't think the spinning elbow is as difficult or risky as its being made out to be. It's a relatively simple technique; the main issue is the timing and setup.

The risk isn't that great because of it's surprise element. Even if you throw it 5 times in a fight, its still not a technique that your opponent expects or reacts to quickly.

Compared to throwing a regular body kick or low kick where the opponent can check with a shin, grab your leg, or counter to your unguarded side, there isn't much of a devastating counter to a spinning move.
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I believe a big reason why Jones has more success with these elbow strikes is because his arms are much longer then almost any other fighter. He doesn't have to get as close to land an elbow strike and that allows him to throw them from a distance.
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