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post #1 of 19 (permalink) Old 10-10-2013, 12:54 PM Thread Starter
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Georges St. Pierre 'very disappointed' by lack of UFC support

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UFC welterweight champion Georges St. Pierre critical of UFC after perceived 'lack of support' on drug testing.


UFC welterweight champion, Georges St. Pierre may not have fully ventured to his dark places, but he did step a little into the grey when he offered some critical words toward the UFC on Wednesday.

St. Pierre had hoped that both he and UFC 167 opponent Johny Hendricks would use the Voluntary Anti-Doping Agency (VADA) program for drug testing for their November 16 fight. Things haven't worked that way, and St. Pierre is flying solo with VADA as fight night nears. That fact that has left the long-time champion "very disappointed" in the people that sign his paychecks.

St. Pierre's request for VADA testing had originally been accepted by Hendricks, but things fell apart in September after a great deal of distrust and finger pointing took over what should have been a very simple process.

As things stand right now, St. Pierre will follow the VADA testing and Hendricks will be tested under the Nevada State Athletic Commission protocol. Or as UFC president Dana White likes to refer to that testing, "government testing."

St-Pierre, speaking to La Presse, seemed less than happy that the UFC did not get involved in his desire to use VADA:


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The only thing is that I do not know if they (UFC) are willing to support me. I thought they were ready to support me, but I was disappointed, very disappointed with this turn of events.

There are things I can not say. I do not want to get back to the UFC because it is my employer. However, I do not take journalists for idiots. They are able to read between the lines. They are able to see what happens.
St. Pierre is seemingly holding back some of his more honest feelings, but the fact that the welterweight champion, who is always careful in choosing his words, would offer even mild disdain for the way the UFC handled the situation is significant.

UFC president Dana White has always been quick (and loud) to point out that the government tests the fighters, and he seems more than happy to let that process continue. In August, he called St. Pierre's VADA testing wishes, and that fact that St-Pierre was willing to go into his own pocket to get the testing done, "a little weird."

That government testing line may fly in places like Nevada and New Jersey that have respected athletic commissions, but what about in other states, like say, Wisconsin?

Ben Rothwell was suspended after his post-UFC 164 drug test revealed elevated levels of testosterone. That fight took place in Milwaukee, but the suspension did not come from the Wisconsin Department of Safety and Professional Services, it came from the UFC.

The reason that the UFC suspended Rothwell was because the government, in this case the Wisconsin Department of Safety and Professional Services was going to do nothing more than hit Rothwell with an administrative warning for his failed test. Basically, leaving a not in his file, a slap on the wrist, at best.

In short, the government testing that White is usually so quick to talk about as being "better than everyone else's", failed when it came to Rockwell, and the UFC had to step in to suspend a fighter.

The UFC now has an example of the vaunted government testing process failing. Couple that with one of its biggest stars offering critical words toward the promotions stance on drug testing, and maybe the UFC is getting close to a tipping point where they will have to do more than rely on "the government" to drug test its fighters.
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I might get a little flamed for this but it seems to me like George is setting up excuses for a potential loss? I used a question mark there because that's not the way I'm betting in this one, but I mean, what is the big deal here?

And I truly mean this as a question, does "Big Rig" have some history of juicing I don't know about or something? Why is this special factor being thrown into this fight? Why was it even brought up in the first place?
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I just want them to fight already so all of this will hopefully go away. It's getting old.


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I might get a little flamed for this but it seems to me like George is setting up excuses for a potential loss? I used a question mark there because that's not the way I'm betting in this one, but I mean, what is the big deal here?

And I truly mean this as a question, does "Big Rig" have some history of juicing I don't know about or something? Why is this special factor being thrown into this fight? Why was it even brought up in the first place?
IIRC it was brought up by Hendricks' camp originally. And I would be pissed in GSP's place too if someone made vague accusations against me and then weaseled out of an opportunity show we were both honest.
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I really think GSP is probably clean and is sick of people saying hes using PEDS all the time. He also probably knows there is a high amount of PED use in MMA and all other sports and if your a clean fighter and get blamed for using PEDS because you work your ass off that would piss anyone off. So he tried to take it upon himself to take a stance and to make it easier to have a fair fight and didnt get support from the UFC like he hoped. I think that is the most logical explanation for whats going on.
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Can someone who understand steroids and testing better than myself explain this to me? What difference does it make if they are both tested by VADA or one by the gov and one by VADA?

Aren't tests standardized? What the fuss about?
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Can someone who understand steroids and testing better than myself explain this to me? What difference does it make if they are both tested by VADA or one by the gov and one by VADA?

Aren't tests standardized? What the fuss about?
Fighters know when the NSAC (=government in your example) is going to test them. They can cycle their illegal substances accordingly so they won't show up in the test. VADA tests are random although fighters get a 24h notice. Not enough time to get the roids out of your system but enough time to prepare your schedule for testing. Another difference is that VADA does blood and urin tests and the athletic comissions only do urin tests. One might say a urin test that everyone can see coming is pretty much useless if the fighter knows how to cycle off their roids properly.

In my opinion drug testing is a major issue in this young sport and the UFC isn't exactly doing what they could do. (The following sentence is probably conjecture and highly subjective) I think the UFC is doing everything they can to hide high profile cheaters.




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Is not VADA a light version of WADA ?
If they are serious they should go all the way and let WADA test them.
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The article is poorly written and confusing.

In the article, it states that using "government testing" is fine in states like Nevada and New Jersey, where they have a good reputation. It continues to talk about how Wisconsin has a less that favorable reputation and that other states could also share a bad rep, and that is a good reason to include outside testing.

This fight is being held in Nevada, where the "government testing" is reputable. So the Wisconsin argument is unclear and only muddies and already muddy argument.

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JUST STFU about who is going to test who. Get in the ring and fight. Let the NSAC handle all the drug testing (as they have for every other UFC fight in Nevada). Stop trying to flip the script!

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Is not VADA a light version of WADA ?
If they are serious they should go all the way and let WADA test them.
No.

Once again, I urge everyone who isn't sick of this thing to read the following post by Smackybear:

http://www.mmaforum.com/2275465-post42.html
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