The UFC apparently won't wait for word from Brazil's MMA commission before making a decision on Rousimar Palhares.
UFC President Dana White on Thursday told ESPN that the welterweight has been released from the promotion and won't fight for the company again following his submission win over Mike Pierce on Wednesday night.
At UFC Fight Night 29, which took place at Jose Correa Arena in Barueri, Sao Paulo, Brazil, Palhares (15-5 MMA, 8-4 UFC) caught Mike Pierce (17-6 MMA, 9-4 UFC) by the leg right away in the first round. Pierce escaped initially, but Palhares stayed after his leg – his specialty.
And on his second try, he wrapped up an ankle lock. As Pierce started to tap, referee Keith Peterson dived in to get the Brazilian to release the hold. But even as Pierce continued tapping – eventually on Peterson's back – Palhares appeared to hold the leg longer still.
(Watch the Palhares vs. Pierce finish.)
After the card was over, UFC officials said they were not going to award Palhares with what would have been a $50,000 "Submission of the Night" bonus based on the Comissao Atletica Brasileira de MMA (CABMMA) looking into whether or not Palahares was "unsportsmanlike" in his finish.
It was not the first time Palhares has been in the situation. Three years ago, the New Jersey State Athletic Control Board suspended Palhares for 90 days when it was determined he held a heel hook too long against Tomasz Drwal.
But it appears that it may be the last time he does it in the UFC. Palhares had dropped to welterweight for the first time after a two-fight skid at middleweight, and after testing positive for elevated testosterone levels in a loss to Hector Lombard this past December.
His UFC debut came at UFC 84 in May 2008, which he won "Submission of the Night" with an armbar. All told, Palhares has eight leg submissions in his career.
But now he will be going after his next one for another promotion.
For more on UFC Fight Night 29, check out the UFC Events section of the site.
Ok, Palhares was one of my favourite fighters to watch in the UFC after his debut. To defend him is one thing but for a picture to be drawn for us indicating he was looking the other way when the ref ran past him then literally slid into him is borderline silly now. Even if he initially did not see the ref, would he not of thought the Ref was in a un-natural position when he still had hold of the leg and then cranked it? or do all ref's slide on there hands on knees mid fight?
A fine, or even a 6 month or year suspension on the severe side would seem suffice, but released feels drastic. It seems like Dana has been looking for a reason and he got it.
I was absolutely delighted that he has got permanently banned. Can all the people that disagree, not get their head round what it would be like to have one's dreams and potential of a great MMA future, taken away by a serious knee injury, caused by some Dick head holding on a lock after a tap, which incidentally is absolutely taboo in the fight world.
Incidentally I don't know what turned my stomach more, him not letting go of the submission hold. Or his vomit inducingly smug, skin crawlingly corrupt and disgusting crediting of God as his inspiration. Total ayhole cheat wanker.
It was a dick move. Pierce is out six months because of this. The dude is an asshole. This might not have looked so bad if he didn't have a history of this type of shit, but he does, so **** him.
I think it is laughable that we have pages and pages of guys getting up in arms about this. Yet after a guy pounds on a defenseless and unconscious fighter 3 or 4 times it gets no reaction? Refs each card literally have to DRAG a guy off a guy who is beating on a KO'd fighter.
Perhaps the ref should have pulled Palhares off him. Like he would have if it was a TKO/KO situation.
I do understand his history. And being popped for elevated testosterone certainly doesn't help his cause. But the situation in a vacuum? It is a double standard.
UFC will show HIGHLIGHTS of a guy getting his head pounded in without any ability to defend himself. Yet they are going to pretend like they are big on fighter safety first and will act like Palhares is a bad guy. :confused03:
Purposefully misinterpreting the quote. Sparring with a guy like JDS, at least you know he's not looking to beat the living hell out of you, KO you and purposefully cause you serious harm.
Rolling on the mat is also completely different to sparring boxing/striking in the ring. On the mat, sparring partners are not looking to snap limbs or choke people out, so the likely hood of a fighter actually getting hurt badly during a rolling session is significantly less likely than getting accidentally KO'd in a striking session.
This discussion is about intent, and Palhares intent during fights and apparently in training camps is very clear - he's looking to really cause some one serious harm. That same sick intent is not present with fighters like JDS and the vast majority of other professional fighters.
I am glad they cut him. It was clear that he dont know when to stop and this is not his first time. That can be huge damage and can end someone carrier. He to dangerous and not very clear in his head and his place is not in octagon. Retard..
The ref was contacting Rousimar's body at like three different points from the moment he jumped in, even if we believe he had his eyes closed and was pretending he was in Shangri-La getting massages from pygmis, he had to have know there was some third party trying to stop the action.
Ref shouldn't have to scream in PH's face to get him to stop. PH just didn't want to.
It's official that he held the hold for 1.3 seconds after Pierce tapped. Not exactly worthy of a lifetime ban, considering he had been trained by a guy who had to submit someone twice in a UFC fight to win it.
My feeling is that this DW decision will be overturned down the line.
For this particular offence, I see the release as a blatant overreaction. He hardly held on for that long, and the referee could have done a better job. But when you consider his history, I completely understand the UFC's decision. You have to look at his transgressions in their entirety.
I 100% believe Palhares is a little slow and is being discriminated against by his employers. This has happened at least 10-15 times in the UFC with late hits and hold.
Dan Henderson could have literally given Bisping brain damage with that late unnecessary bomb to the laid out chin of Mike (who is already in la la land).
I think everyone knows Dana plays favorites and gets caught up in the moment. I have always thought he gives the majority of Brazilian fighters the shaft since he doesn't need to market as hard to their fan-base. (They already love MMA)
Yes, it's barely more than a second. It just seems so long, because Pierce doesn't make the usual double tap, but frantically taps which isn't seen often and the ref needs so long to stop the fight. It's really more the refs fault than Palhares'.
Palhares' coach at BTT felt the need to employ a psychiatrist because of his brutality in training. Says it all really.
If you consistently hurt people in training, it'll be no different in competition. Some guys pride themselves on 'going hard' etc, but some guys do enjoy injuring. Seems Palhares is one of them, and I have no time for him.
Yeah and while we are at it lets cut every aggressive and interesting fighter on the roster because oh think of the children and not only that let's ban leg locks and heel hooks and not only let's rename it the UWC the ultimate whining championship.
I was watching thinking I was going to see an apology, but he confirmed that he felt he did nothing wrong. From this alone, I would have to cut him, being he has no idea what he's been doing wrong all this time. It means he's either stupid or stubborn. Either one, is not a good defense.
I was really hoping the guy would have admitted fault, and admitted he let his emotions take over, but instead he said it's just a case of everyone misinterpreting what happened.
Unfortunately, the guy needs to learn a very hard life lesson.
The difference between hitting someone after they are knocked out before the ref calls it, and holding on to a sub after the ref called it is pretty clear and large.
You have to fight until the ref calls it, if the ref has not called the fight then it's your job to keep going. If a fighter has a guy pinned down against the cage throwing bombs on him and the ref jumps in and says stop/tries to pull you off/gets in the way of the fight, yet you still keep throwing shots, then that's a problem. If, however, you drop a guy with a clean shot to the jaw, it's perfectly okay to follow up with more shots until the ref jumps in, he could wake up when he lands, he might not be 100% out, your perception of how hurt he is might be off, you don't know - the fight is still going until it is called by the ref.
If Rousimar Palhares is trying to make out he is misunderstood, maybe a little autistic as he and some on this forum are trying to make out, that is the worst possible excuse to have. At least admitting to be a macho sadistic bastard who is trying to make people fear him is believable and more importantly rational. Being a likeable guy with mental problems, who "doesn't get it" is the real nail in the Coffin to his career. That is really frightening.
I'd also be curious to know about his suspension for taking peds, did God tell him to take them, or did his trainers tell him they were sweets, innocent goodhearted fellow that he is. (That last sentence has a lot of sarcasm in it by the way)
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