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post #51 of 241 (permalink) Old 10-11-2013, 09:15 AM
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I know it's always a very difficult thing to do: to watch something and be 'unbiased' since, as everyone points out, he has a history. However, after repeated viewings, I believe Palhares did not hold on to the submission for as long as people say he has (sounds like he held on for an infinity) and I am convinced he let go of the submission as soon as he had visual on the ref. He still has work to do on that aspect of competition (be clear-minded enough to let go when the ref's signal comes).

Cutting him is a big, big blow. Other organizations will think twice before signing him.

People who say stupid s**t like 'send him back to working in the fields' - you have no idea what it means to work your ass off and transcend your humble social origins, especially in a country like Brazil where racism is based not so much on the color of your skin as much as your social status.

Dana's been doing this for more than a decade so he knows much more than I do - however, my opinion on the matter is that if Pierce has not been injured, then, before resorting to a life-altering punishment like the UFC has done, intensify the sports psychology therapy Palhares is undergoing a few notches further - but do let him return once further 'verification' to his condition have been made, if these turn out to be satisfactory.

Schaub's and Mir's extra punches to an unconscious Crocop when he lay there, clearly knocked the f**k out, were way more disgusting than Palhares' latest mistake imo.

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Good, leglocks pulled to long or far can cause permanent career ending damage and this is the hundredth time he has done it. They shouldn't wait till some guy ends up in a wheelchair for life before cutting Palhares.
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I wonder if those who say Palhares should be cut, are the same ones saying oblique kicks and elbows on the bottom should be banned.
I'm a little late to this thread but I wanted to respond to this. This is an apples to oranges comparison, a better comparison would be after the fight is over do you still throw punches/kicks? The best example would be Rampage vs Wandy, many of us felt that Rampage should have been fined/punished for the additional cheap shots after the ref was pulling him off.
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Good, leglocks pulled to long or far can cause permanent career ending damage and this is the hundredth time he has done it. They shouldn't wait till some guy ends up in a wheelchair for life before cutting Palhares.
I'm not heartbroken over the decision to ban him.

While I would like to see some more of WW Paul Harris, I think we can all be pretty confident that it would just be a matter of time until he pisses hot, or has another Toquinho brain-fart, etc, etc.

At least he can go fight again immediately. If Dana had decided to just hit him with a timeout, he would have been missing paychecks for the next six months or whatever.

Good luck, tree stump. Go rip some more legs off, and maybe one day we'll see you back in The Show.

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Good, leglocks pulled to long or far can cause permanent career ending damage and this is the hundredth time he has done it. They shouldn't wait till some guy ends up in a wheelchair for life before cutting Palhares.
Exactly, kind of incredible how many people are throwing fits over this because they don't get it, just like Palhares.
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I'm a little late to this thread but I wanted to respond to this. This is an apples to oranges comparison, a better comparison would be after the fight is over do you still throw punches/kicks? The best example would be Rampage vs Wandy, many of us felt that Rampage should have been fined/punished for the additional cheap shots after the ref was pulling him off.
Palhares releasing the hold late was the refs fault.

Just like Burkman releasing a guillotine late on Jon Fitch was Mazzagatti's fault.

Everyone holds a sub until the ref says the fight is over.

No one releases a sub when their opponent taps because sometimes the ref doesn't see it.

The ref dove on Pierce as if he was protecting Pierce from strikes. That was a mistake on his part, Palhares didn't see him there.

Palhares didn't do anything wrong.

He held the sub until the ref told him to release it.

The rules say the fight continues until the ref says its over.

Palhares did it by the book.

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Exactly, kind of incredible how many people are throwing fits over this because they don't get it, just like Palhares.
Kind of incredible that Frank Mir kept Brock is a submission way after Brock was tapping like crazy. It can't be one rule for one situation, and one for another. That's why people are mad.

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My 2 Cents:

If this were the first time Palhares (or Paul Harris as some like to call him) did something like this I would say "warn him and let it go". BUT, this is not the first, not even close to it. It is the 2nd time in the UFC and 4th time that it has been documented in MMA. It has been documented many other times in training and in BJJ matches.

The guy obviously has no respect, can not be controlled, and intends to cause injury even if a ref is attempting to stop the fight.



"Stupid dana" has no authority over weather soccer kicks or knees on the ground are allowed in MMA in the United States. The rules are set by the governing body of the state that the fight is held in. There is currently NO STATE that allows either soccer kicks or knees/kicks to a grounded opponent.

While it is clear you like old fashioned Pride rules, it is also clear that you place the blame for rule changes on the wrong party.
This man knows.

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You have zero clue buddy. I can't tell if some posters responses are just people trolling, being stupid, just plain ignorant, thinking it's cool to argue for the sake of it, or completely biased. If you honestly believe that, you really need to step back and rewatch it unbiasedly(if that's even a word). Not just talking about you. It was just one of the last ones I read.
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Palhares releasing the hold late was the refs fault.

Just like Burkman releasing a guillotine late on Jon Fitch was Mazzagatti's fault.

Everyone holds a sub until the ref says the fight is over.

No one releases a sub when their opponent taps because sometimes the ref doesn't see it.

The ref dove on Pierce as if he was protecting Pierce from strikes. That was a mistake on his part, Palhares didn't see him there.

Palhares didn't do anything wrong.

He held the sub until the ref told him to release it.

The rules say the fight continues until the ref says its over.

Palhares did it by the book.

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