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Old 10-15-2013, 06:45 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Im going to put that down to luck! Not everyone is in the vodka literary field like you!
I can count 4 times dealing with russian business people in the last 5 years. Each time they have gone back on their word and tried to change everything after verbal agreements. I now have a no business with Russians policy!
Regardless of our personal experiences, in this case I feel M1 are in the right.

Put it this way:
You live in the UK, right? Say the UFC have never featured in the UK. Lets also say that you run UK based MMA organization that puts on lots of shows around their home regions and have been doing so for a decade. You have deals with all the regional TV companies and various venues. Basically, this is your home turf and you've worked hard to get your infrastructure in place. You have a lot of fighters and one super star who is very popular in the UK and europe. Hes also a partner in your organization.

Now, the UFC have always wanted to break into the UK. So they offer to sign your super star. They also want to do shows in the UK in the best venues featuring your super star fighter/partner. In other words they want everything from you. All your good shit.

With the above in mind, would you go ahead or would you want to co-promote any shows done in the UK? Becuase it seems to me that without co-promotion, the UFC would effectively take over MMA in the UK and leave you with nothing.
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Albeit an interesting way to look at it, I don't think it works in this case.

We are talking about mcdonalds vs jimmys burgers here. Manchester Utd vs Accrington Stanley. Accrington Stanley are getting big crowds to their fights because they have Fedaldo playing for them, banging in goals. They own Fedaldo's image rights too and are making money off his shirt sales and what not. Without him at a match, nobody gives a crap about them or any of the other matches they are playing.
Man Utd come in and say we want to buy Fedaldo, Accrington say, ok give us 20mil, 20% of shirt sales, 20% of a resale fee, then you can have him.
However in this situation Accrington Stanley wanted to merge businesses with the Man Utd. We are talking about a micky mouse company merging their product with the best company in the world at what it does. Accrington Stanley does not have that bargaining power to do that in any way shape or form (and in reality for an MMA promotion this would be a shambles trying to mix M1 organisation with an established UFC setup). Fedor is just an asset, and M1 simply over valued him as has since been proven I believe with his subsequent performances.
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Old 10-15-2013, 07:11 AM   #13 (permalink)
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Albeit an interesting way to look at it, I don't think it works in this case.

We are talking about mcdonalds vs jimmys burgers here. Manchester Utd vs Accrington Stanley. Accrington Stanley are getting big crowds to their fights because they have Fedaldo playing for them, banging in goals. They own Fedaldo's image rights too and are making money off his shirt sales and what not. Without him at a match, nobody gives a crap about them or any of the other matches they are playing.
Man Utd come in and say we want to buy Fedaldo, Accrington say, ok give us 20mil, 20% of shirt sales, 20% of a resale fee, then you can have him.
However in this situation Accrington Stanley wanted to merge businesses with the Man Utd. We are talking about a micky mouse company merging their product with the best company in the world at what it does. Accrington Stanley does not have that bargaining power to do that in any way shape or form (and in reality for an MMA promotion this would be a shambles trying to mix M1 organisation with an established UFC setup). Fedor is just an asset, and M1 simply over valued him as has since been proven I believe with his subsequent performances.
Its not the same. United play in Accrington all the time. They both feature in the same country. Accrington do not cover a massive region that United are desperate to get a foothold in.

Plus, Fedor is a partner in M1. This is well documented. Why on earth would Fedor willingly dump all the hard work hes put in with his company so he can feature on a few UFC cards, giving them all his regions and leaving him with essentially nothing once he retires. Its utter nonsense on Danas part. If anybody is acting crooked, its Dana.
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Blame Fedor for not saying to his team I want to be in the UFC stop with your Co Promotion BS. Fedor let his managers or whatever **** up his chances at a ton of money. They obviously dont have his interests at heart they have thier own. I really think Dana probably offered Fedor a great dead and his managers wouldnt neg on the co promotion
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Its totally reasonable that a Russian based MMA organization, that have spent years growing their own regional shows, would want co-promotion in their own home regions. Getting Fedor would have given the UFC a huge leg up in asian exposure = something the UFC very much needed at the time.

Nobody from M1 suggested the UFC should co-promote with them in US or European shows. But if they had Fedor fighting in Russia, you are damn straight the UFC should co-promote. There really should be no argument.
Do they make more money by Co-promoting? Doubtful, and that is all that really matters.
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UFC were not desperate to get into Russia. What makes you think that? Why would they be? For what money? The masses in russia ain't got shit to spend on MMA.
Seriously dude, Dana White can be full of it I agree, but you are dealing with Russian mob here. And I am not talking about gangsters selling drugs, Im talking about the real Russian mob which is the businessmen and the guys sitting at the top of the tree. They dont do anything straight. All of these guys Putin and his mates, they were all the KGB guys in power before the curtain came down, and they were the guys who received the oil companies for $1 etc etc, and are now the powerful guys today. The system changed but the corruption and the people running things were exactly the same people. Its the same crooked backward nonsense there that there always was.

Two months ago I made an inquiry and If I want to ship any sort of agricultural product into Russia one of these guys needs a cut. The whole industry is run by russian mob. And from what I was told its the same shit for all types of business.
You walk into Moscow airport and in terminal F you have about 60 shops in total. I shit you not 55 of them are the exact same duty free store, selling the same product line. Owned by 1 guy, who has that all on lockdown. No competition, no fair trade, just typical russian style of business.

Depsite Dana's issues, I would easily give him the benefit of the doubt before those guys
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Old 10-15-2013, 09:30 AM   #17 (permalink)
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UFC were not desperate to get into Russia. What makes you think that? Why would they be? For what money? The masses in russia ain't got shit to spend on MMA.
Seriously dude, Dana White can be full of it I agree, but you are dealing with Russian mob here. And I am not talking about gangsters selling drugs, Im talking about the real Russian mob which is the businessmen and the guys sitting at the top of the tree. They dont do anything straight. All of these guys Putin and his mates, they were all the KGB guys in power before the curtain came down, and they were the guys who received the oil companies for $1 etc etc, and are now the powerful guys today. The system changed but the corruption and the people running things were exactly the same people. Its the same crooked backward nonsense there that there always was.

Two months ago I made an inquiry and If I want to ship any sort of agricultural product into Russia one of these guys needs a cut. The whole industry is run by russian mob. And from what I was told its the same shit for all types of business.
You walk into Moscow airport and in terminal F you have about 60 shops in total. I shit you not 55 of them are the exact same duty free store, selling the same product line. Owned by 1 guy, who has that all on lockdown. No competition, no fair trade, just typical russian style of business.

Depsite Dana's issues, I would easily give him the benefit of the doubt before those guys

You do realize that every single morsel of information you have on these guys was delivered to you via western media, right?

Come on now, brother.
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The only person who said M1 wanted to fully co-promote was Dana. When M1 we're interviewed about it, they said they wanted to co-promote in their HOME REGIONS ONLY = a totally reasonable request, and the version of events I choose to believe.

M1 are dodgy. M1 have Fedor hostage. M1 are the mafia. All a load of Dana White bullshit pushed by the western media, that we all swallow and ask for seconds.
Good post,Dana is full of shit dude got chased out by the Mob in America and thinks that all Russians are mobsters for some reason.He didn't even make sense backing up his arguments, Ahhh we went to some island and we spoke with them and gave them an amazing offer
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UFC were not desperate to get into Russia. What makes you think that? Why would they be? For what money? The masses in russia ain't got shit to spend on MMA.
Seriously dude, Dana White can be full of it I agree, but you are dealing with Russian mob here. And I am not talking about gangsters selling drugs, Im talking about the real Russian mob which is the businessmen and the guys sitting at the top of the tree. They dont do anything straight. All of these guys Putin and his mates, they were all the KGB guys in power before the curtain came down, and they were the guys who received the oil companies for $1 etc etc, and are now the powerful guys today. The system changed but the corruption and the people running things were exactly the same people. Its the same crooked backward nonsense there that there always was.

Two months ago I made an inquiry and If I want to ship any sort of agricultural product into Russia one of these guys needs a cut. The whole industry is run by russian mob. And from what I was told its the same shit for all types of business.
You walk into Moscow airport and in terminal F you have about 60 shops in total. I shit you not 55 of them are the exact same duty free store, selling the same product line. Owned by 1 guy, who has that all on lockdown. No competition, no fair trade, just typical russian style of business.

Depsite Dana's issues, I would easily give him the benefit of the doubt before those guys
I bet Prokhorov just follows what the Russian Mob says also, making Downtown Brooklyn such a horrible place.I met Vadim and Fedor and both are positive and great people to be around,while Dana on the other hand sounds like a moron every time i hear him speak
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