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Old 10-18-2013, 12:29 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Your statement ignores other facts that happened as well. When WWE bought WCW it was because the WCW was for sale and about to just go belly up.
i think what the OP is referring to is post WWWF in the 70's/80's when Vince broke the unwritten "territory" rules and started infringing on other locations' talent and driving them out of business because they could not compete.

that is typical "head hunter" corporate mentality/business practice, which also has been happening for like a century.

either way, vince is a businessman first and foremost... how ever he can win at business, he will.
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The fact is UFC bought both Pride fc and strikeforce too shut them down, eliminating competition.
No that is conjecture. The Fertitas and Dana have both said that their original plan was to try and use PRIDE as a base to open up the Pacific/Asian market, but instead found PRIDE was more in debt that they had actually said and reputation so stained no one wanted to be associated with it. So at that point there were left no option but do what they did. They bought out the talent they didn't want and offered the option for other fighters to finish out their current contracts in the UFC.

With StrikeForce there was no one with the capital to buy it except the UFC. Anyone else who had it apparently didn't value it because they never even bid. Scott Coker tried to get enough investors but he could not generate enough interest to get the cash he needed. So the UFC bought them and in the long run it just wasn't a stable enough show without major investments from the UFC to keep it running. Funny enough the EXACT same reason StrikeForce was being sold, it just wasn't profitable enough.

So while I understand you may wish PRIDE and StrikeForce were up and running, with or without the UFC buying them they end up in the same place, gone in history.
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No that is conjecture. The Fertitas and Dana have both said that their original plan was to try and use PRIDE as a base to open up the Pacific/Asian market, but instead found PRIDE was more in debt that they had actually said and reputation so stained no one wanted to be associated with it. So at that point there were left no option but do what they did. They bought out the talent they didn't want and offered the option for other fighters to finish out their current contracts in the UFC.

With StrikeForce there was no one with the capital to buy it except the UFC. Anyone else who had it apparently didn't value it because they never even bid. Scott Coker tried to get enough investors but he could not generate enough interest to get the cash he needed. So the UFC bought them and in the long run it just wasn't a stable enough show without major investments from the UFC to keep it running. Funny enough the EXACT same reason StrikeForce was being sold, it just wasn't profitable enough.

So while I understand you may wish PRIDE and StrikeForce were up and running, with or without the UFC buying them they end up in the same place, gone in history.
Sounds like rubbish to me, They were both bought to close them down. UFC must have a policy too buy and close down main competitors if their for sale.
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Promotion tactics to a degree, he's already said he has immense respect for Vince. Does it mean he's emulating him, who knows. But it ends there. In the short amount of span Zuffa has been able to land monumental corporate sponsorships which I'm not sure WWE has. In other words WWE will always be for strictly entertainment purposes while UFC/MMA is quickly being acknowledged as a legitimate sport even maybe Olympic bound down the line.
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Sounds like rubbish to me, They were both bought to close them down. UFC must have a policy too buy and close down main competitors if their for sale.
I think there were multiple reasons to make those purchases. The Pride, WEC and Strikeforce purchases were all great at adding depth in the UFC and bringing together fights that fans have talked about for years. All 3 of those organizations has legit title contenders that people wanted to see against the UFC elites at the time.
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I dont think the UFC is as safe as the WWE though. I think that ZUFFA has always tried too make the UFC more mainstream but I feel that it could be their downfall. As the sport becomes bigger it could leave the UFC with bigger competition.

IMO its a simple policy of aiming for the sport too grow bigger and have no major competition so that the casual fan completely associates the sport with the UFC. That way they`ll reap all the awards.
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I hope UFC gets bigger competition... it's better for the fighters as well.
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Old 10-18-2013, 01:10 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I dont think the UFC is as safe as the WWE though. I think that ZUFFA has always tried too make the UFC more mainstream but I feel that it could be their downfall. As the sport becomes bigger it could leave the UFC with bigger competition.
I think the stronger the sport gets the stronger the UFC gets. It's still a growing sport and new talent is always coming up. It will just lead to more talented fighters and that's a good thing. The more depth the sport has as a whole the more depth the UFC will have.
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The UFC brand will reign for another 20 years. It is what it is today solely because of Dana and of course his friends and business partners. Who knows he might retire earlier due to health issues, but in the forseeable future it's doing extremely well considering the state of the economy.
You're going to experience growing pains here and there, but their growth has been steady. It's not dependent on one card, one ppv, one marquee fighter (Chuck,Tito,Randy) or one show any longer. UFC has a market value of $2 - $2.5 billion. Dana's networth is $150 million which is somewhat reflective of his 9% equity share. Lorenzo Fertitta's networth is $1 billion. Frank Fertitta III's networth is $1.3 billion. They've achieved the American Dream status.

One thing has been true since the Great Depression. People may become stingy, but the masses still want to get their minds off reality by
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c.) entertainment (at the time speakeasies, burlesque shows, and of course boxing.)
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I personally think Dana's impact on the sport is exaggerated. Especially his current contributions. He was lucky to have the friends he had and the opportunity came when it did. It was a perfect storm for Dana. Because of that we have a massive group of people that think Dana can do no wrong and ever move he makes is the correct one. Dana has made plenty of mistakes over the years.
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