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John8204 10-19-2013 11:25 PM

TJ Waldberger....not dead
 
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Dana White ✔ @danawhite

Update on TJ Waldburger: all of his tests came back negative and he's been released and on his way to go have dinner
9:57 PM - 19 Oct 2013
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ORIGINAL: According to mmajunkie.com, T.J. Waldburger was transported to a local hospital for evaluation following a violent KO loss at UFC 166. A UFC official stated that Waldburger was "responsive and alert" when transported.

During the fight, Waldburger took a spinning back kick to the rib section before a series of punches put him on the mat. Adlan Amagov then landed some heavy follow up punches on the already-dazed Waldburger befor referee Jay Stafin could stop the fight. Dana White's reaction on Twitter was, "That ref sucks!!!!! "

BTW when it's late reffing on a KO it's a shitty ref, but a submission and dudes get fired. But the important thing...Waldberger not concussed, nothing broken and not dead.

UFC_OWNS 10-19-2013 11:27 PM

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Originally Posted by John8204 (Post 2349097)
BTW when it's late reffing on a KO it's a shitty ref, but a submission and dudes get fired. But the important thing...Waldberger not concussed, nothing broken and not dead.

I know john ridiculous double standard, thank god he's ok though amagov is not someone you need to give extra free hits too

NotDylan 10-20-2013 01:27 AM

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Originally Posted by John8204 (Post 2349097)
BTW when it's late reffing on a KO it's a shitty ref, but a submission and dudes get fired. But the important thing...Waldberger not concussed, nothing broken and not dead.

In one case you have a fighter not stopping when the ref is there telling him to stop and in the other the fighter stops as soon as the ref steps in. Still, you don't want to see either one happen.

Liddellianenko 10-20-2013 01:54 AM

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Originally Posted by NotDylan (Post 2350505)
In one case you have a fighter not stopping when the ref is there telling him to stop and in the other the fighter stops as soon as the ref steps in. Still, you don't want to see either one happen.

This. If Amagov had purposely looked away when the ref tried to pull him off and continued punching, then there might be a valid comparison, otherwise not so much. Oh and lets not forget doing it 500 times in the past.

Ddog0587 10-20-2013 02:06 AM

I was thinking in my head "i wonder if TJ Waldberger is alive". I normally dont think that about fighters i dont know but that TKO was vicious, horribly late by the ref and TJ was still down after the interviews. Glad to hear hes ok.:thumbsup:

SideWays222 10-20-2013 02:13 AM

Yeah the ref did a shitty job in this one and Amagov stopped as soon as the ref made his move. Palhares on the other hand stopped 2 seconds after the ref made his move.

While in the Palhares fight i do agree the ref could have done a better job positioning. I also find it nearly impossible to believe that Palhares was unaware of the ref jumping in.

UFC_OWNS 10-20-2013 02:19 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWays222 (Post 2350737)
Yeah the ref did a shitty job in this one and Amagov stopped as soon as the ref made his move. Palhares on the other hand stopped 2 seconds after the ref made his move.

While in the Palhares fight i do agree the ref could have done a better job positioning. I also find it nearly impossible to believe that Palhares was unaware of the ref jumping in.

Heat of the moment especially for submissions, the phantom tap is a real thing and bustamante his backstabbing coach was one of the innovators of that. I can't tell you how many times in practice I have had guys say tap or tap on me or the ground and then say no no I didn't tap. So in a real fight with a lot more on the line people are likely to do this even more because of the higher stakes.

SideWays222 10-20-2013 02:26 AM

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Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS (Post 2350745)
Heat of the moment especially for submissions, the phantom tap is a real thing and bustamante his backstabbing coach was one of the innovators of that. I can't tell you how many times in practice I have had guys say tap or tap on me or the ground and then say no no I didn't tap. So in a real fight with a lot more on the line people are likely to do this even more because of the higher stakes.

I dont disagree with that. But like i said i just dont believe that Palhares did not see the ref. I think he did a good enough job to be seen and if i recall i think he even made contact on the chest or shoulder before going for the arms. (I think thats up for debate though since i wasnt 100% what i was seeing when i watched it. But i dont think anyone wants to debate that again. I know i dont.)
Thus i put the blame on Palhares and the Ref.

And i think closing your eyes when going for a submission is really irresponsible and thats what iv seen people claim he did and thats why he did not see the ref.

But to comment on your point

Heat of the moment works both ways for subs and punches. Almagov still managed to stop the second the Ref jumped in. And if someone does not stop when the ref jumps in well Heat of the Moment is a crap excuse. One that should get zero sympathy from anyone.

To me it looked more like Palhares wasnt heat of the moment but more i dont like Pierce and an extra second or two cant hurt if it looks like i can get away with it. And closing your eyes and looking away is a good way to go about that.

UFC_OWNS 10-20-2013 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by SideWays222 (Post 2350753)
I dont disagree with that. But like i said i just dont believe that Palhares did not see the ref. I think he did a good enough job to be seen at the very least and if i recall i think he even made contact on the chest or shoulder before going for the arms. (I think thats up for debate though since i wasnt 100% what i was seeing when i watched it. But i dont think anyone wants to debate that again. I know i dont.)
Thus i put the blame on Palhares and the Ref.

And i think closing your eyes when going for a submission is really irresponsible and thats what iv seen people claim he did and thats why he did not see the ref.

But to comment on your point

Heat of the moment works both ways. Almagov still stopped the second the Ref jumped in. And if someone does not stop when the ref jumps in well Heat of the Moment is a crap excuse. One that should get zero sympathy from anyone.

Well bare in mind the one time palhares did stop in a fight he jumped up on the cage and the fight wasn't even over. I don't at all believe his just a mean guy I just think he isn't exactly sharp.

SideWays222 10-20-2013 02:37 AM

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Originally Posted by UFC_OWNS (Post 2350769)
Well bare in mind the one time palhares did stop in a fight he jumped up on the cage and the fight wasn't even over. I don't at all believe his just a mean guy I just think he isn't exactly sharp.

I do remember that. I dont quiet remember the circumstances in that fight but i do remember thinking that Palhares was an idiot for thinking the fight was over lmao.

I do believe that its possible that played a part in what happened. i dont see why someone wouldnt. Id be more sure that the fight is over the next time around if that happened to me. But this isnt Palhares first offense. He has done it before in a fight, sub competitions, practice (From multiple sources). So even if every single time is just him being dumb i dont really think that changes anything. Being dumb or doing it on purpose if it leads to the same problem then its needs to be dealt with either way. I dont think it will matter to someones career if their knee or ankle gets shattered due to stupidity or anger. It wont hurt any less or heal any faster.

Quiet frankly the idea of fighting someone that keeps accidentally hurting people scares me more then fighting someone who i know is going to try and hurt me. I know that might seem stupid im not sure if it does or not cause logically i find it weird myself. But its just how i feel about it lol.


For clarification when i say accidently i dont mean freak accidents. I mean the guy is slow/stupid/not sharp/ or whatever and thats why people get hurt by him. (cause i dont think someone should be punished for a freak accident)


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