Originally Posted by El Bresko
He did not out strike Gustafsson. That was an even striking match. He couldn't take Gus down and DC is leagues ahead of him as a wrestler and he was an inch away from losing his title to Vitor by armbar. Vinny and Davis are both better BJJ guys and that's not even mentioning Drysdale who will soon be fighting in the UFC. Jones is a very well rounded fighter but the only thing he is the best at is length.
Well it doesn't really help your case that DC is undefeated and Reem has been KOed in his last two fights, does it?
Originally Posted by Gustafsson Fan
Jones did not outstrike Gustafsson. Jones stiking is not even top-5 in the division. All of Jones opponents give up some standup advantage because they want to avoid Jones wrestling.
Even Gustafsson did and despite that the striking was very even.
Put Jones in th heavyweight division where he cannot bully them with wrestling and he would have trouble with JDS and Cain and likely be knocked out. Jones footwork, hand speed, striking power, chin is ok but far from the best strikers out there. Even his boxing technique was shown in the Gustafsson fight to be less than top-5. He was outjabbed and and hit in the face many more times than Gustafsson was. Jones kicks are good though.
Jones has out struck everyone he's faced including Gus, the denial you guys exude is silly.
I cant understand the hate for Jones but its very obvious he's a top five striker when he's beat most of the top ten fighters who are coincidentally strikers and he beat them all with his stiking most with his hands.
MMA is not boxing, I dont need to be a better boxer to be a better striker.
If your bias wasn't misplaced Struve would be undefeated and the heavyweight champ. I mean all it takes is some reach right?
Saying DC has some next level ability in wrestling over Jones is again bias, dude didn't Big country stuff his td's in the second round? Jones has better TD stats than Dan against opponents with actual skill. DC has taken on very few UFC quality fighters and to his credit beat them but lets not get too hyperbolic.
The majority of Dans wins are against cans that are not even UFC quality fighters. He's surely a top wrestler but it doesn't take wrestling to stuff a wrestler that's called take down defense.
Chuck Liddell must be the best wrestler the UFC has ever seen! In his career he spent a TOTAL of under two minutes on his back.
Thats very impressive considering he fought mostly ground fighters, dont get me wrong his wrestling was good but not that
good and he didn't need it to be because he was just about impossible to take down, thats TDD.
I think ppl are forgetting that Jones has hurt every fighter he's faces with his lack of power and inferior striking. Im shocked he can drop so many HQ fighters and finish them with his poor skills.
He's still just a man, nobody is impervious to damage and at HW I think DC could give him a good go. But at LHW I just dont think he can beat Jones.
Everyone talks about how bad Jones is at this or that but he goes out there and makes it a point to beat fighters where they are rumored to have an advantage over him and other than Gus its been totally out of choice but the fact remains he does it.
LOL one close fight and everyone's talking about how bad he is at his craft. I guess when you hate a fighter so badly its only human nature to reach out for every crevice you can and try to turn it into the grand canyon.
Im not saying he has no flaws but they sure as shit are not as prominent as you guys make them out to be.
People saying MMA fighters have shit boxing are misleading, MMA fighters dont use techniques that dont work in MMA /the end. You cant compare striking in boxing to striking in mma or on the street it just wont work because well its not the same.
I beat the shit out of a golden gloves boxer back when I was a younger man and had him pissing blood. He looked so bad that the next day at work he told everyone he got jumped by three guys. Then a co-worker (his roommate) that watched the fight opened his mouth and I almost got fired, regardless dude is a much better boxer than Ill ever be but you know what? I still whooped that ass... twice.