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If Brock Lesnar had started a bit earlier and been able to build up his skills over a 5 to 8 year period for MMA I think he could have been the greatest MMA fighter ever hands down. He started late and was thrown to the Wolves, and he still became champ. Pretty impressive.
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I think Lesnar couldnt take a punch. He didnt really have to until the Carwin fight. I don't really attribute it to his illness or surgeries, I just think he was weak in that respect.

His run of opponents from jump is probably the best opponent list of all time, let alone the best from the beginning of a career.

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Nice thread. Only one observation. Big Nog should be listed even if his current record is inconsistent, because he is a former UFC Champion same way Carwin is and with victories over four of the former champions listed (Mark Coleman, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia and Ricco Rodriguez). He is also 1-1 with two current top 10 HW, Barnett and Werdum.

Anyway, he is a former UFC Champion and I'd like to bring his name up.


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Nice thread. Only one observation. Big Nog should be listed even if his current record is inconsistent, because he is a former UFC Champion same way Carwin is and with victories over four of the former champions listed (Mark Coleman, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia and Ricco Rodriguez). He is also 1-1 with two current top 10 HW, Barnett and Werdum.

Anyway, he is a former UFC Champion and I'd like to bring his name up.
Big nog definitely deserves a spot in the top ten. A very competitive HW for a very long time. If not for his nemesis Frank Mir his career would have a much better shine to it
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Nice thread. Only one observation. Big Nog should be listed even if his current record is inconsistent, because he is a former UFC Champion same way Carwin is and with victories over four of the former champions listed (Mark Coleman, Randy Couture, Tim Sylvia and Ricco Rodriguez). He is also 1-1 with two current top 10 HW, Barnett and Werdum.

Anyway, he is a former UFC Champion and I'd like to bring his name up.
I was only including non-currently signed fighters, but I suppose when you're dealing with primes, you would have to mention "prime Nog" or something like that. I'll keep it in mind and do one for LHW-LW

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Oh, I see where you are coming. Good thread.


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Brock Lesnar: MMA's biggest star. He surprised everyone with his wrestling ability and punching power, and might have had the hardest entrance into MMA ever, defeating some fantastic fighters.
This caught my eye (go figure). Brock was basically gifted a title shot. He got subbed by Mir, beat Heath freaking Herring and was given a title shot.

Dana knew he would draw numbers, and milked the way for him to get the belt.

He then beat Mir (impressively), and won one of the most embarrassing fights I've ever seen against Carwin. This was the totality of everything he accomplished in the UFC folks. The last two fights he got hit and quit.

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This caught my eye (go figure). Brock was basically gifted a title shot. He got subbed by Mir, beat Heath freaking Herring and was given a title shot.

Dana knew he would draw numbers, and milked the way for him to get the belt.

He then beat Mir (impressively), and won one of the most embarrassing fights I've ever seen against Carwin. This was the totality of everything he accomplished in the UFC folks. The last two fights he got hit and quit.

Had he not come from the WWE he would have never been a champ.
Min-Soo Kim - Dude they used for fun 'freakshow' kind of fights. Nothing too impressive.

Frank Mir - At 1-0, Brock Lesnar gets thrown in with 10-3 former UFC heavyweight champion, who is great at what Lesnar lacks? Only James Toney suffered worse fate.

Heath Herring - 28-14 Vs 1-1. Herring had also finished 16 fights by Submission, Brock Lesnar's apparently weakness at the time.

Randy Couture - UFC Heavyweight Champion (3rd Time) and Hall of Famer. Arguably the best HW wrestler at the time, coming off of a TKO win. Brock Lesnar stopped him.

Frank Mir - On a 3 fight, 3 stoppage win streak and had previously beat Lesnar. Interim UFC Champion.

Shane Carwin - Beat down on Lesnar, but Brock didn't quit. Carwin was 11/11 with 11 stoppages. Carwin got ridiculously gassed and Lesnar finished easily with an arm triangle.

Cain Velasquez - Considered by most as the greatest HW of all time.

Alistair Overeem - Former Strikeforce and Dream champion, K1 Grand Prix Champion, won 11 of last 12 (with 1 NC). 35-11 Vs 5-2.

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