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Oh, absolutely. It's a hell of an opportunity for any fighter to be. To be on Chael's team means only that - to be in his team - not giving up being Brazilian or betraying their country. The goal is to get in a massive UFC promotion and do a good job before the bosses and public.
It doesn't mean all fighters joining Wanderlei team would automatically love him or Anderson either.
Also Chael has shown to be a hell of a good coach.

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Also Chael has shown to be a hell of a good coach.
Was gonna say the same. I would think that at least some of the athletes in question realize this now - him asking Silva to help out doesn't hurt, either.
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Oh, absolutely. It's a hell of an opportunity for any fighter to be. To be on Chael's team means only that - to be in his team - not giving up being Brazilian or betraying their country. The goal is to get in a massive UFC promotion and do a good job before the bosses and public.
It doesn't mean all fighters joining Wanderlei team would automatically love him or Anderson either.
Exactly. MMA is not a team sport.

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When Anderson coaches I think Chael should be Andersons waterboy.
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I imagine 99% of these kids have never trained outside Brazil. Choosing Sonnen over Wandy as your preferred coach is a no brainier. There are *many* coaches in Brazil who can teach Wandys general skill set. What Sonnen knows is gold dust to them.
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Imagine there was a TUF show in the future and one of the coaches calls in his submission trainer and its Chael Sonnen.
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I imagine 99% of these kids have never trained outside Brazil. Choosing Sonnen over Wandy as your preferred coach is a no brainier. There are *many* coaches in Brazil who can teach Wandys general skill set. What Sonnen knows is gold dust to them.
I tend to believe this is a move based on the limited number of vacancies in the show. I can't blame them, but you may be right in another way: Most of new fighters in Brazil are raw talent over brains. Not saying they are stupid in any way, but definitely very simple people, more than often coming from poor communities and lacking more cultural opportunities, specially in the beginning of their careers. Fortunately, lots of Cinderellas stories, though, similar to those Brazilian soccer talents who came from down below and today shine on European leagues. Kids are hungry and worth watching.


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Fortunately, lots of Cinderellas stories, though, similar to those Brazilian soccer talents who came from down below and today shine on European leagues. Kids are hungry and worth watching.
Thing is, Brazil is the best place in the world to play soccer when growing up. It's played *everywhere*. You have everything you need in Brazil to become an elite football player, even if you are born to a family with no money and you have a poor education.

But when it comes to MMA, you simply can not get by without some wrestling. And learning this particular skill is bordering on impossible for a poor kid growing up in Brazil. For some of these TUF kids, training with Chael is an opportunity to learn shit they may never have access to again.
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Thing is, Brazil is the best place in the world to play soccer when growing up. It's played *everywhere*. You have everything you need in Brazil to become an elite football player, even if you are born to a family with no money and you have a poor education.

But when it comes to MMA, you simply can not get by without some wrestling. And learning this particular skill is bordering on impossible for a poor kid growing up in Brazil. For some of these TUF kids, training with Chael is an opportunity to learn shit they may never have access to again.
Sorry to disagree on both paragraphs.

The first one is just not true, specially the bold part, and we have already a few documentaries stating how difficult it is to get a spot on a lower than low soccer team and actually making a salary for yourself alone. I understand this is not the general idea international community has, but it is what it is.

It is considered a real lottery to get a job in a small team, where talent will certainly help, but without luck and the right people to guide you, you won't be able to pay for your own expenses and normally will have to have a second job or give up your dream for good. A Cinderella story has this connotation of reaching success throughout all odds and adversities, which are countless in Brazil.

For the second paragraph, you can certainly count a good Jiu Jitsu base to be not less than equivalent to the "some wrestling" required you mentioned. Yes, it is important to learn wrestling when heading toward the big dogs in MMA, but in US, wrestling is part of school/college curriculum, in Brazil, not really, and during a TUF time span, Chael won`t be able teach more than tips to his team. Therefore, the old and good BJJ will have to do it for the grappling aspect.

A good BJJ base plus striking is match for wrestling + striking, not less. Remember most elite wrestlers use their wrestling skills to maintain the fight standing when facing an elite BJJ fighter, so their striking will be the differential in that case.


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