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Which MMA fighters did we loose because of the Pride acquisition?

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#1 ·
Right now, there is 1 monster organisation, with 2 smaller ones, and a half-dozen of very smaller ones or very new.

UFC is obviously the bigger one, then WEC and CageRage. There might be K-1, but i find it too WWE like, meaning they always put freaks or weird fighters up against a star, and their fights always have controversy around it.

When i say loose, i mean that they are not going to either of the first 3 mentionned.

So right now, a couple of Pride fighters have made their way into other org since Pride fell apart.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Paulo Filho
Dan Henderson
Shogun(unconfirmed)


But what about all the others?? Is it really possible to have that many top fighters for 1 organisation, or is the UFC going to have to let go and only take the bests of the bests? And what happens to them?

Right now, here are the fighters the UFC wants to sign

Takanori Gomi
Nick Diaz
Fedor
Josh Barnnett

And i think thats it!!

Whats the point of having 10000 fighters if there is an event every 2-3 months? Its a huge waste of money, and the fighters cant afford to fight once a year.

Who else do you guys think the UFC is going to sign?
 
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#2 ·
Split said:
Right now, there is 1 monster organisation, with 2 smaller ones, and a half-dozen of very smaller ones or very new.

UFC is obviously the bigger one, then WEC and CageRage. There might be K-1, but i find it too WWE like, meaning they always put freaks or weird fighters up against a star, and their fights always have controversy around it.

When i say loose, i mean that they are not going to either of the first 3 mentionned.

So right now, a couple of Pride fighters have made their way into other org since Pride fell apart.

Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
Paulo Filho
Dan Henderson
Shogun(unconfirmed)


But what about all the others?? Is it really possible to have that many top fighters for 1 organisation, or is the UFC going to have to let go and only take the bests of the bests? And what happens to them?

Right now, here are the fighters the UFC wants to sign

Takanori Gomi
Nick Diaz
Fedor
Josh Barnnett

And i think thats it!!

Whats the point of having 10000 fighters if there is an event every 2-3 months? Its a huge waste of money, and the fighters cant afford to fight once a year.

Who else do you guys think the UFC is going to sign?
Are you kidding man the UFC is going to have to sign.
Lil Nog
Arona
Overeem
Nakamura
Sokky
Alexsander (Fedor brother)
Denis Kang
Okami
Aoki
Kid Yammamota (when he comes back)
and more
 
#4 ·
CroCop#1UFCfan said:
yeah, you better throw "The Samoan Monster" Mark Hunt in that list as well. They would be stupid not too. He would get many UFC fans behind him after he takes some hard shots to the head and doesn't budge.
I wanted to but he's to big for the UFC HW divison
 
#5 ·
There are a lot of fighters that need to be signed.
I, like the TS, wonder how they are going to get them all the airtime to survive financially. Maybe they'll start putting higher quality guys on Ultimate Fight Night live evenets instead of the nobodies.

UFC might have to become like boxing in that there is an event every weekend/every other weekend on HBO/showtime. The fighters need to fight and the fans can't afford to pay $40 a week/every two weeks to watch the fights.
 
#6 ·
Davisty69 said:
There are a lot of fighters that need to be signed.
I, like the TS, wonder how they are going to get them all the airtime to survive financially. Maybe they'll start putting higher quality guys on Ultimate Fight Night live evenets instead of the nobodies.

UFC might have to become like boxing in that there is an event every weekend/every other weekend on HBO/showtime. The fighters need to fight and the fans can't afford to pay $40 a week/every two weeks to watch the fights.
Yea I've been saying this all week. Their isn't space in the UFC as presently constituted for all of these fighters. So either some of the subpar fighters get cut, or sent to WEC. or some of these top fighters are going to leave for K-1 and Elite XC
 
#8 ·
bbjd7 said:
Yea I've been saying this all week. Their isn't space in the UFC as presently constituted for all of these fighters. So either some of the subpar fighters get cut, or sent to WEC. or some of these top fighters are going to leave for K-1 and Elite XC

That would be cool with me. Make the UFC into an elite only promotion. Use WEC to build up the fighters like the farm league it was supposed to be.

Take all TUF fighters and drop them down. UFC could become a superfight showing every card. There are plenty of people to have fight if you remove the less talented guys and make them earn their way into the All star game.
 
#12 ·
This is what I think was supposed to happen with HBO, put on more international stars and guys that are too good for TUF and fight nights on HBO, have the cream of the crop and title holders challengers fight on UFC ppv. I am not sure what they are doing with WEC if Filho goes there he will dominate MW there and then probably come up to UFC if Shogun goes to WEC see the same thing with LHW, so that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your point of view.
 
#13 ·
IcemanCometh said:
This is what I think was supposed to happen with HBO, put on more international stars and guys that are too good for TUF and fight nights on HBO, have the cream of the crop and title holders challengers fight on UFC ppv. I am not sure what they are doing with WEC if Filho goes there he will dominate MW there and then probably come up to UFC if Shogun goes to WEC see the same thing with LHW, so that could be a good thing or a bad thing depending on your point of view.
Shogun hates Filho's guts and I highly doubt that the two of them would both go to WEC unless Shogun got to face him
 
#14 ·
You're actually forgetting DEEP, but I think that if the UFC chooses to start a featherweight division, they will buy up DEEP to get Imanari Masakazu.

You are missing alot of fighters that I see the UFC signing, especially in the Lightweight division. There are alot of guys that I think the UFC will phase in over the next 18 months and we'll see Sherk lose his title and fall down the rankings while these guys beat the hell out of the UFC vets.

You basically forgot the top ten at 155, besides Gomi. I think the UFC will slowly aquire contracts for Hansen, Sudo, Sakurai and Aurelio. They'll probably pick up KID Yamamoto after he's done with his Olympic wrestling spree.

People have already mentioned Mark Hunt, but he's a name worth repeating. You also forgot a handful of other heavyweights I think the UFC will grab up, they'll probably get Thompson and Yoshida, as well as resigning Monson.

I think we'll lose alot of the Japanese favorites like Minowa and Fujita, but I don't think that will hurt the level of competition too badly.

I think 170 is going to change the least (because PRIDE doesn't have any guys at that weight) and I think the only contract that the UFC will pick us is Aoki. I hope they do that soon, before he realizes how much money his skills are worth and they can't agree on a number.

The only guy I don't see coming to the cage after Henderson v Jackson is Lindland, and that's really a shame, because he's the best at 185 as far as I'm concerned. I think Filho, Misaki and Kang will probably be the big acquisitions, and I expect them to come over slowly so that the UFC can build them up individually. Probably in that order, too: the undefeated Filho, the exciting Misaki and the charismatic American Kang.

The Heavyweight and the Middleweight divisions are going to change the most, because you are going to see the level that guys who they tote pretty highly, like heavyweights Werdum and Gonzaga and Middlweights like Swick (though he's apparently dropping to 170) and Okami, really are on a global scale. I think alot of diehard UFC fans are going be disappointed when those guys start to lose.

I think that the UFC may pick up a few guys for the lightheavyweight division, but I think that they will leave Wanderlei, Arona and Lil Nog alone, because of their recent losses, and that's really a shame. Still, I think that once they bring Shogun out of obscurity they'll bring Sokoudjou over, and he'll pretty much destroy all of the middleground competition that they feed him to get him in position for a titleshot against Shogun (and Shogun will be the titleholder once they get him to be a big name).

I don't really like Monopoly, but I'm still hoping that we'll end up with a good product and we'll get to see alot of the dream matchups now that all of the guys are in the same organization.
 
#15 ·
IronMan said:
You're actually forgetting DEEP, but I think that if the UFC chooses to start a featherweight division, they will buy up DEEP to get Imanari Masakazu.

You are missing alot of fighters that I see the UFC signing, especially in the Lightweight division. There are alot of guys that I think the UFC will phase in over the next 18 months and we'll see Sherk lose his title and fall down the rankings while these guys beat the hell out of the UFC vets.

You basically forgot the top ten at 155, besides Gomi. I think the UFC will slowly aquire contracts for Hansen, Sudo, Sakurai and Aurelio. They'll probably pick up KID Yamamoto after he's done with his Olympic wrestling spree.

People have already mentioned Mark Hunt, but he's a name worth repeating. You also forgot a handful of other heavyweights I think the UFC will grab up, they'll probably get Thompson and Yoshida, as well as resigning Monson.

I think we'll lose alot of the Japanese favorites like Minowa and Fujita, but I don't think that will hurt the level of competition too badly.

I think 170 is going to change the least (because PRIDE doesn't have any guys at that weight) and I think the only contract that the UFC will pick us is Aoki. I hope they do that soon, before he realizes how much money his skills are worth and they can't agree on a number.

The only guy I don't see coming to the cage after Henderson v Jackson is Lindland, and that's really a shame, because he's the best at 185 as far as I'm concerned. I think Filho, Misaki and Kang will probably be the big acquisitions, and I expect them to come over slowly so that the UFC can build them up individually. Probably in that order, too: the undefeated Filho, the exciting Misaki and the charismatic American Kang.

The Heavyweight and the Middleweight divisions are going to change the most, because you are going to see the level that guys who they tote pretty highly, like heavyweights Werdum and Gonzaga and Middlweights like Swick (though he's apparently dropping to 170) and Okami, really are on a global scale. I think alot of diehard UFC fans are going be disappointed when those guys start to lose.

I think that the UFC may pick up a few guys for the lightheavyweight division, but I think that they will leave Wanderlei, Arona and Lil Nog alone, because of their recent losses, and that's really a shame. Still, I think that once they bring Shogun out of obscurity they'll bring Sokoudjou over, and he'll pretty much destroy all of the middleground competition that they feed him to get him in position for a titleshot against Shogun (and Shogun will be the titleholder once they get him to be a big name).

I don't really like Monopoly, but I'm still hoping that we'll end up with a good product and we'll get to see alot of the dream matchups now that all of the guys are in the same organization.
Those were just the first names that came to mind I put and more because i knew i missed alot. I would think that they will sign Wandy since Dana said that Wanderlei was the likely next fight for chuck. I also think that they will sign Lil Nog as soon as the pan am games are done I and think they would have signed him at the same time they signed big nog if it wasn't for him boxing.
They might not sign Arona and the more I think about it the more i doubt that Nakamura or Overeem will get signed. Overeem will probably go and fight K-1 heros and idk what'll happen to Nakamura.
O good post but no rep since Kang is Canadian not American
 
#16 ·
IronMan said:
You're actually forgetting DEEP, but I think that if the UFC chooses to start a featherweight division, they will buy up DEEP to get Imanari Masakazu.

You are missing alot of fighters that I see the UFC signing, especially in the Lightweight division. There are alot of guys that I think the UFC will phase in over the next 18 months and we'll see Sherk lose his title and fall down the rankings while these guys beat the hell out of the UFC vets.

You basically forgot the top ten at 155, besides Gomi. I think the UFC will slowly aquire contracts for Hansen, Sudo, Sakurai and Aurelio. They'll probably pick up KID Yamamoto after he's done with his Olympic wrestling spree.

People have already mentioned Mark Hunt, but he's a name worth repeating. You also forgot a handful of other heavyweights I think the UFC will grab up, they'll probably get Thompson and Yoshida, as well as resigning Monson.

I think we'll lose alot of the Japanese favorites like Minowa and Fujita, but I don't think that will hurt the level of competition too badly.

I think 170 is going to change the least (because PRIDE doesn't have any guys at that weight) and I think the only contract that the UFC will pick us is Aoki. I hope they do that soon, before he realizes how much money his skills are worth and they can't agree on a number.

The only guy I don't see coming to the cage after Henderson v Jackson is Lindland, and that's really a shame, because he's the best at 185 as far as I'm concerned. I think Filho, Misaki and Kang will probably be the big acquisitions, and I expect them to come over slowly so that the UFC can build them up individually. Probably in that order, too: the undefeated Filho, the exciting Misaki and the charismatic American Kang.

The Heavyweight and the Middleweight divisions are going to change the most, because you are going to see the level that guys who they tote pretty highly, like heavyweights Werdum and Gonzaga and Middlweights like Swick (though he's apparently dropping to 170) and Okami, really are on a global scale. I think alot of diehard UFC fans are going be disappointed when those guys start to lose.

I think that the UFC may pick up a few guys for the lightheavyweight division, but I think that they will leave Wanderlei, Arona and Lil Nog alone, because of their recent losses, and that's really a shame. Still, I think that once they bring Shogun out of obscurity they'll bring Sokoudjou over, and he'll pretty much destroy all of the middleground competition that they feed him to get him in position for a titleshot against Shogun (and Shogun will be the titleholder once they get him to be a big name).

I don't really like Monopoly, but I'm still hoping that we'll end up with a good product and we'll get to see alot of the dream matchups now that all of the guys are in the same organization.
A few things, Kang is Canadian not American. I dont know if you mean Genki when you say Sudo but if so hes retired.

I disagree with your comment about the LW division I think Sherk can hang with all the guys Pride has to offer but it doesnt matter because BJs gonna have the belt by the time the Pride guys come over and no LW has anything on BJ.
 
#17 ·
asskicker said:
A few things, Kang is Canadian not American. I dont know if you mean Genki when you say Sudo but if so hes retired.

I disagree with your comment about the LW division I think Sherk can hang with all the guys Pride has to offer but it doesnt matter because BJs gonna have the belt by the time the Pride guys come over and no LW has anything on BJ.
Just made the assumption Kang ws American, since he trains with AKA. Sorry about that.

I don't think Sherk can hang with the upper half of the PRIDE lightweight division because he's one dimensional and every guy in PRIDE has a pretty good submission game. I don't think his ground control and strength are overwhelming enough to groundnpound Gomi (who is one of the best Japanese wrestlers) or Yamamoto. I think Hansen would knock him out in the first round via knees to the head, but that's just my opinion. I also think that Sherk would get submitted by Imanari.

I think that Dana White will be smart enough to pick up on the Japanese fighters after seeing how good Okami is, and I think that will result in him picking up Nakamura and Yoshida. I don't think he'll let that kind of high quality Judo go to waste.

Dana made most of his public comments about Wanderlei v Chuck before Wandy was KO'd by Henderson as a way of proving that the UFC LHWs were better than PRIDE's. Now that Wandy isn't a title holder and alot of the hardcore fans, myself included, think that he is no longer the fighter that he was, I think that Dana will save the money.

Genki is retired, sorry about that.

If Nakamura doesn't get signed, which is a possibility, I think that there will be alot of fans who will see the UFC lightheavyweight division as being incomplete. That's definitely how I will look at it, but I think that eventually Dana will be smart enough to sign Nakamura. I credit Dana with that intelligence, but you never know.

I think that Overreem could end up in K-1, because of his great hands, but I think that chances are he will probably find his was to the WEC. I don't like to say that he's a minor league fighter, but I think he's past the point where the UFC would be really psyched up about having him.

There is always the chance that the UFC is waiting for after Pan Am, but, at least to my knowledge, fighting in the Pan Am doesn't keep him from signing a UFC contract. I think that he has lost alot of the draw that surrounds a fighter than has never been finished, which Big Nog still has. When it comes down to it, I think Lil Nog will be asking for money too close to what Big Nog got, and the UFC isn't interested in giving that kind of a check to a guy who got his ass handed to him so recently.

Mark cutting to 265 is a non-issue. His fighting weight in K-1 was 250 for a long time, and it would take him a few weeks to get down there again if he really needed to. Plus, I think that when he comes to the UFC he will develop more athleticism to go along with his striking ability and his chin. I think that, eventually, we'll see him fighting at around 240 and alot skinnier than he was in PRIDE or K-1.
 
#18 ·
IronMan said:
Just made the assumption Kang ws American, since he trains with AKA. Sorry about that.

I don't think Sherk can hang with the upper half of the PRIDE lightweight division because he's one dimensional and every guy in PRIDE has a pretty good submission game. I don't think his ground control and strength are overwhelming enough to groundnpound Gomi (who is one of the best Japanese wrestlers) or Yamamoto. I think Hansen would knock him out in the first round via knees to the head, but that's just my opinion. I also think that Sherk would get submitted by Imanari.

I think that Dana White will be smart enough to pick up on the Japanese fighters after seeing how good Okami is, and I think that will result in him picking up Nakamura and Yoshida. I don't think he'll let that kind of high quality Judo go to waste.

Dana made most of his public comments about Wanderlei v Chuck before Wandy was KO'd by Henderson as a way of proving that the UFC LHWs were better than PRIDE's. Now that Wandy isn't a title holder and alot of the hardcore fans, myself included, think that he is no longer the fighter that he was, I think that Dana will save the money.

Genki is retired, sorry about that.

If Nakamura doesn't get signed, which is a possibility, I think that there will be alot of fans who will see the UFC lightheavyweight division as being incomplete. That's definitely how I will look at it, but I think that eventually Dana will be smart enough to sign Nakamura. I credit Dana with that intelligence, but you never know.

I think that Overreem could end up in K-1, because of his great hands, but I think that chances are he will probably find his was to the WEC. I don't like to say that he's a minor league fighter, but I think he's past the point where the UFC would be really psyched up about having him.

There is always the chance that the UFC is waiting for after Pan Am, but, at least to my knowledge, fighting in the Pan Am doesn't keep him from signing a UFC contract. I think that he has lost alot of the draw that surrounds a fighter than has never been finished, which Big Nog still has. When it comes down to it, I think Lil Nog will be asking for money too close to what Big Nog got, and the UFC isn't interested in giving that kind of a check to a guy who got his ass handed to him so recently.

Mark cutting to 265 is a non-issue. His fighting weight in K-1 was 250 for a long time, and it would take him a few weeks to get down there again if he really needed to. Plus, I think that when he comes to the UFC he will develop more athleticism to go along with his striking ability and his chin. I think that, eventually, we'll see him fighting at around 240 and alot skinnier than he was in PRIDE or K-1.
Dana doesn't seem to really like anything about Japan or there fighters or at least at the UFC 71 post press conference it seemed like that to me.

Dana said this week that it looked like Wandy vs Chuck was next.

Overeem I would guess go to K-1 instead of WEC because K-1 pays much better and His style since he has nasty standup fits K-1 better


IDK whats going on with Lil Nog but if you think the UFC LHW divison is incomplete without Nakamura if they don't sign Lil Nog that is a huge blow and if K-1 gets him thats a huge add.
 
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