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Ronda Rousey (c) 21 67.74%
Sara McMann 9 29.03%
Draw 1 3.23%
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post #131 of 145 (permalink) Old 02-23-2014, 10:39 PM
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I'm with Hex. Those 2 or 3 off-target pillow punches while McMann was in a solid 3 point position for 1.5 seconds didn't warrant a stoppage at all. I think it was a knee-jerk reaction from Herb - if it was 2 men in there, he would have let it go longer. (like he did in an earlier fight) Nobody's perfect, though - he's a better ref than I'd ever be. lol

But whatever, it's done & I don't care much about the women's div anyway. Its development lags too far behind the men for me to get involved in it too seriously. I mean, look at the current champ - if you could make a male replica of her (same talent, skillset, etc.) for the men's division, she'd be gatekeeper at best. (probably more akin to Cody McKenzie, though) Someone wake me in five years or so. (or the next controversy - those are always fun)
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post #132 of 145 (permalink) Old 02-23-2014, 10:39 PM
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I definitely think a fighter that drops to their knees deserves more time to defend than two seconds, and they usually do get it in male MMA. In most male MMA fights they'd get twice that at least.

And yeah it's completely normal for a ref to gauge the amount of damage that appears to be being inflicted from strikes when judging a stoppage. And in fact title fights usually get special consideration where the challenger is given extra time to recover because of the important of the situation.

I didn't feel like Ronda's little punches were the kind of intensity that warranted jumping in and calling a finish in literally two seconds.
I agree.

A fight can be stopped by body shots the same way a fight can be stopped with strikes. When someone gets rocked/falls down from strikes, typically the ref gives it some time, waits to see if the person can defend themselves, if they stand back up or maybe roll over to their back to defend from guard, anything.

In this fight, there was 0 time. Herb gave her no time whatsoever to try and recover. She wasn't TKO'd or knocked out or unable to fight, she got hurt, dropped, and then started getting back up - the same way people get hurt, dropped, and get back up in countless other fights. If the fighter is completely conscious but falls from pain, you give that fighter some time to defend, make sure he/she is actually unable to continue. In this case, Sara was most certainly able to continue and it was an awful call.
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I think it was a bit of an early stoppage but I also sympathize with Herb and know it's a completely different experience watching the fight on tv versus reffing it up close and personal. Heck there's a chance he didn't even see it was a knee that dropped McMann. Maybe he just saw them scrapping and Sara crumple. Who knows?

Depending on the scenario for refs deciding a stoppage they can be "damned if they do and damned if they don't."
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A fight can be stopped by body shots the same way a fight can be stopped with strikes. When someone gets rocked/falls down from strikes, typically the ref gives it some time, waits to see if the person can defend themselves, if they stand back up or maybe roll over to their back to defend from guard, anything.
To use an example, let's go back to UFC 153 where Anderson Silva dropped Bonnar with a knee to the midsection. Bonnar faceplanted in the fetal position and Silva went in for the kill, hitting him with 8-9 more punches before the ref stopped the fight. Bonnar was given a chance to recover, protect himself, or improve his position, he didn't and it was stopped. It was a good stoppage and I don't recall anyone complaining about it.

And that's what should've happened in the fight yesterday, the stoppage was way too early.
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how about Travis Browne crumpled in a ball getting battered by Overeem
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Women fights will be stopped earlier than guy fights. That is just the way it is.
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I don't think the stoppage was bad. Watch the GIF



You can see McMann originally drops to her knee and hand. She then starts to put her head to the ground. While she does this, she's not even attempting to protect herself. That's when Dean started to step in to call it off. As He's waving Ronda off she begins to pick herself back up. I can see where he was coming from.


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To me, that GIF made the stoppage look even worse than live haha.

I'm getting pretty sick of this 'protecting the fighter' bullshit that seems to be the excuse for every early stoppage these days. These guys/girls know what they signed up for, it's a fight, they are going to get hurt. I agree with stopping a fight where a fighter is taking an unrelented beating but to stop a fight 'in case' they do is pathetic.

Herb Dean has literally ruined 2 main event title fights in a row in my opinion.
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To me, that GIF made the stoppage look even worse than live haha.

I'm getting pretty sick of this 'protecting the fighter' bullshit that seems to be the excuse for every early stoppage these days. These guys/girls know what they signed up for, it's a fight, they are going to get hurt. I agree with stopping a fight where a fighter is taking an unrelented beating but to stop a fight 'in case' they do is pathetic.

Herb Dean has literally ruined 2 main event title fights in a row in my opinion.
JUST BLEED!!!!


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