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Old 08-14-2006, 04:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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thing is no ne of us know the details as to why the fight was called off.. for all we know Dana is the only one trying to make it happen it could be the Pride side that is not wanting it to happen.. SO until we have the factsDana is innocent until proven guilty.. greanted It was in poor taste to announce a fight that was not 100% set in stone to happen... obviously pride had ot have shown interest if Dana made the announcement.. for all we know since it is supposedly run by the yakuza they could be doing this to discredit the UFC right before they make thier own move into Vegas... Gods I love conspirciry theories
Yeah he is innocent until proven guilty, but really who do you think is guilty here? The CEO of Pride is making public statements that his fighters will "devour" UFC fighters. I think it is safe to say that he wants this match up to happen. I think Dana White is so scared that Chuck will lose to Vanderlei and his LHW title would be held by a fighter from another organization that he backed out, using business as an excuse. I think its cheap.

P.S. Chuck would win anyway.
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Old 08-14-2006, 04:29 PM   #12 (permalink)
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The pride CEO made that statement with a good reason. He was talking about, mostly, the heavyweights. And the Pride heavyweights (Fedor, Barnett, Nog, Crocop) really would destroy guys like Sylvia and Arlovski.

As for how Chuck/Wandy would go, after the way Chuck was crushed by Rampage, it's hard for me to believe that he'd be much more successful if he returned to the ring against the Pride lightheavyweight champ. He might do better if the fight took place in his home court, as opposed to the Pride ring, but Chuck is a pit fighter, he should be more adaptable than he was against Rampage.
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Old 08-14-2006, 04:40 PM   #13 (permalink)
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The pride CEO made that statement with a good reason. He was talking about, mostly, the heavyweights. And the Pride heavyweights (Fedor, Barnett, Nog, Crocop) really would destroy guys like Sylvia and Arlovski.

As for how Chuck/Wandy would go, after the way Chuck was crushed by Rampage, it's hard for me to believe that he'd be much more successful if he returned to the ring against the Pride lightheavyweight champ. He might do better if the fight took place in his home court, as opposed to the Pride ring, but Chuck is a pit fighter, he should be more adaptable than he was against Rampage.
I was just saying that the Pride CEO would want this to happen. But since you brought it up, I really don't think its that simple, Arlovski and Sylvia would do well against those guys, Jeff Monson could submitt/overpower any of them(not saying he would beat all of them but he is very capable) and UFC's lower weightclasses would absolutely dominate.
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Old 08-17-2006, 02:33 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I think White is whimping out because he doesnt want to look bad compared to Pride.

I may be wrong, but this is my guess.
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Old 08-17-2006, 03:24 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I personally thing any weight class other then Heavyweight would dominate Pride probably.

I mean lets say they're was a ppv and you got the top 3 guys to rep your weightclass. Someone will have to do pride's weight class fighters, i don't watch much pride outside of youtube.com lol

HW- Tim Syvlia/AA/Jeff Monson (3 solid fighters who stand a chance)
LHW- Chuck Liddell,Tito Ortiz, Forrest Griffen (im kind of going out on a limb on the griffen one, but he put up an amazing fight against ortiz and probably in some minds could have won the fight).
MW- Rich Franklin, David Lausiou(sp?), Anderson Silvia/Mike Swick/Nathan Marquet (all 3 are close to the 3rd best right now, i think its just a base on your opinion.
WW- Matt Hughes, George St. Pierre, BJ Penn
LW- Sean Sherk, Kenny Florian, Jens Pulver/Spencer Fischer/Joe Stevenson (all are a 3rd place tie assuming the fighters in 155 we know are commited to it.)

Those are some HELL of a good lineups
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:20 AM   #16 (permalink)
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Well Pride and UFC have different weight classes so I'm not sure how it would all match up.

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1. Lightweight: 146 to 155 pounds
2. Welterweight: 156 to 170 pounds
3. Middleweight: 171 to 185 pounds
4. Light Heavyweight: 186 to 205 pounds
5. Heavyweight: 206 to 265 pounds

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1. Lightweight: less than 160 pounds
2. Welterweight: less than 183 pounds
3. Middleweight: less than 205 pounds
4. Heavyweight: more or equal to 205 pounds

So some UFC welterweights could be fighting Pride lightweight and some UFC middleweights could be fighting Pride welterweights, so you can't match them up by class very easily.
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Old 08-17-2006, 10:22 AM   #17 (permalink)
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Well Pride and UFC have different weight classes so I'm not sure how it would all match up.

UFC
1. Lightweight: 146 to 155 pounds
2. Welterweight: 156 to 170 pounds
3. Middleweight: 171 to 185 pounds
4. Light Heavyweight: 186 to 205 pounds
5. Heavyweight: 206 to 265 pounds

PRIDE
1. Lightweight: less than 160 pounds
2. Welterweight: less than 183 pounds
3. Middleweight: less than 205 pounds
4. Heavyweight: more or equal to 205 pounds

So some UFC welterweights could be fighting Pride lightweight and some UFC middleweights could be fighting Pride welterweights, so you can't match them up by class very easily.
if you can not match them by class just go by weight..
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Old 08-17-2006, 11:59 AM   #18 (permalink)
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if you can not match them by class just go by weight..
Ya but i was saying that for people who put the top guys in each class and compare them to the top guys in each class in the other organization.
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If we were going by weight though, i'd still take UFC's top 2 or 3 fighters overall to beat pride in the octagon.

I think if they fought PRIDE rules it might be different...maybe.. but i still think UFC's WW/LW/MW is MUCH MUCH more strong then Prides.

And personally those are my favorite weight class's. I like all the action they have, unlike some of the HW fights i see.
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