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View Poll Results: Which is a bigger screw up?
Early Stoppage 9 24.32%
Late Stoppage 19 51.35%
Both are same level only case by case matters. 6 16.22%
Early stoppage is worse since at-least a late stoppage satisfies my blood lust. 3 8.11%
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post #21 of 50 (permalink) Old 03-22-2014, 10:33 AM
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Late stoppage is worse because a fighters health is most important, however people need to look at an early stoppage more closely.

It doesn't just mess up a fight's outcome. It could potentially harm a fighters income and UFC career. When a referee stops a fight too early, he's potentially robbing a fighter of a win bonus, and for some lower level fighters, that win bonus could have really made a difference for them. Also throw in the fact that when you're a lower leveled guy, sometimes one or two strikes is all you need for the UFC to send you packing. So no, an early stoppage doesn't JUST potentially ruin a fight outcome, it can really mess up the progress of a guys career, and when they're fighting for their jobs on the prelims making 8k to show up, an unfair loss really sucks that much more for them. I'm not saying they should be making bank, that's not the argument here, but they do deserve a legit chance to prove themselves, and a referee stepping in too soon when they're clearly still in the fight must really suck in their minds. They may never get that huge opportunity again.

But yeah, late stoppage is still worse. Their life is more important than their salary, but it's not hard to see both sides of the argument in my opinion, even if you know one is clearly the right answer. I'm sure some of these fighters don't even see it that way. They'd rather risk it more to provide for their families.

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early stoppages are worse because the guy never got a far chance, and with that lose they may never get that chance again.

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I would say early stoppage is worse when the fighter is a "hungry lion" and late stoppage is worse when he's a "crafty veteran".

But then I also think people should have the freedom to do what they want with their health...
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Late is worse... but early is more frustrating as a viewer.
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Case by case basis. Some early stoppages aren't that bad, and some late stoppages aren't that bad. On the flip side, some early stoppages are awful and make you feel bad for the guy because he legitimately didn't get a chance, and some late stoppages are so bad you want the ref fired.

So, it just depends on the fight.
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A late stoppage is worse for the already given reasons, but an early stoppage for many will mean just a wrong stoppage.


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A late stoppage is only bad for the fighter, and he knows the risks he signed up for... therefore early stoppages are worse because not only is that bad for the fighter but also bad for the viewers.. everyone gets cheated.. the needs of the many outweight the needs of the few.

anyone saying otherwise is just trying to be PC

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lmao @ the people who think that faber stoppage was early wow.

Late stoppages are way worse. You're talking about a guys health and thats what is most important, bottom line.
Agree with both.

I think many fighters would say early stoppages. I know Josh Barnett would. But I agree with you, on one side we are talking about a sports win. The other we are talking about long term health. I'd say health is much more important.

And no to the guy who said "they know what they are signing up for". This isn't the movie bloodsport. The ref is there to protect a fighter, that is what they signed up for. The late stoppage in Bellator last night was atrocious and not in any way shape or form what a guy "signs up for". No one signs up to get beat in the head several times when he is already out. Laughing at "it is only bad for the fighter". Who cares about the viewer. They aren't in there. You act like this is a movie or something.
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And no to the guy who said "they know what they are signing up for". This isn't the movie bloodsport. The ref is there to protect a fighter, that is what they signed up for. The late stoppage in Bellator last night was atrocious and not in any way shape or form what a guy "signs up for". No one signs up to get beat in the head several times when he is already out. Laughing at "it is only bad for the fighter". Who cares about the viewer. They aren't in there. You act like this is a movie or something.
i disagree with nearly every single statement in that paragraph so im just gonna leave it at that, rather than waste both of our time...

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i disagree with nearly every single statement in that paragraph so im just gonna leave it at that, rather than waste both of our time...
I don't understand how they signed up to get beaten into ridiculousness? They signed up for a fight that has a ref whos job is to protect the fighter. They in no way signed up to not get protected. I'm not saying every single late stoppage is a health risk. But if you saw the one in Bellator last night then I don't see how you could say a guy signs up for that.

People sign up for bench press competitions. DO they sign up to have incompetent spotters who don't do their job and risk injury to the guy who is lifting? No one signs up for incompetence by an individual who is there to protect you.
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