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View Poll Results: Which is a bigger screw up?
Early Stoppage 9 24.32%
Late Stoppage 19 51.35%
Both are same level only case by case matters. 6 16.22%
Early stoppage is worse since at-least a late stoppage satisfies my blood lust. 3 8.11%
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post #41 of 50 (permalink) Old 03-23-2014, 03:59 PM
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Since we're on the topic of late stoppages, anyone ever see this one before? This has to be the worst one of all time. Damn near killed the man. Craziest part is the fight didn't even end by submission, it ended by TKO because his corner threw the towel in. The ref would have let it keep going otherwise.

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Why did that guy not tap? It looked like his head was going to be removed from his body at one point. "It's okay, if I go to sleep, the referee will just pull him off. Oh wait.." That was rough.

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Why did that guy not tap? It looked like his head was going to be removed from his body at one point. "It's okay, if I go to sleep, the referee will just pull him off. Oh wait.." That was rough.
He was trying to pull down his opponent's arms and fight off the choke, but went to sleep while doing so.
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post #44 of 50 (permalink) Old 03-23-2014, 06:29 PM
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damn that's horrible, one of the worst mma fights I've ever seen. That and an old fight ending in a neck crank where could tell the guy is going to be messed up for life.
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Its usually a matter of interpretation. It can be hard to tell if a fighter has had enough or if they can withstand a few more blows. The real pisser is you have to make those decisions in a split second or you could risk a fighter suffering serious injury. To me one thing is clear: Being a referee really sucks because your damned if you do and damned if you don't.

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He was trying to pull down his opponent's arms and fight off the choke, but went to sleep while doing so.
Ah, hard to tell since he was still moving a bit and didn't go completely limp from my view. Still no excuse for the ref. from a video, it's hard to tell, but when you're right there up close, he should have been able to tell he was out. Scary stuff.

Weird how some people prefer to be choked out rather than tap. I know it's a pride thing, but it's not healthy. If you're stuck in the choke and know you can't get out, do your body a favor and show mercy to it. I've tapped before, it sucks, but what can you do? Your health is more important than a win/money and pride. Learn how to avoid a choke submission like the rest of us. Pride can make people look silly.

Of course, some fighters get put out before they realize that can't escape, so it depends on the case.

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Its usually a matter of interpretation. It can be hard to tell if a fighter has had enough or if they can withstand a few more blows. The real pisser is you have to make those decisions in a split second or you could risk a fighter suffering serious injury. To me one thing is clear: Being a referee really sucks because your damned if you do and damned if you don't.
give them more training imo, have the refs in bjj classes so they know better. Have them get choked so they know better.
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Guys who vote "early stoppage" is worse probably haven't been on the receiving end of a beatdown.
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I'd say late stoppages are worse given the damage that can occur.

Though as some idiot referee literally just stopped Ronny Jason vs. Steven Siler as Siler was throwing an up-kick and literally talking to the ref, I find early stoppages no less infuriating.
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Late stoppages are worse because of health reasons. There's absolutely no defending the gifs posted in OP, and referees should be held accountable for their actions. The fighters recieve fines ans suspensions, referees should too, because the safety of the fighters is essentially in their hands. Fighters are told to fight until the ref steps in, after all. Though it's really great that there are many gentlemen who will stop when their opponent is clearly out.

All that being said - I'll be brutally honest, and this may sound harsh. I hate early stoppages. In fact, I absolutely despise them. What if Lesnar-Carwin, Browne-Overeem, or Barry-Congo were stopped when they first went down? In hindsight that would have been really bad. My point being, you've got to give the fighter a fair chance to get back in the game. As a paying customer I'd much rather see the stoppage be a little late than a little early. Unless it's really extreme either way, I'd rather see a definite ending. I'm sure the fighters would too.

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