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Old 04-06-2014, 07:42 AM   #21 (permalink)
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I could take a dump on a paper and it would look more artistic than that.
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Old 04-06-2014, 08:37 AM   #22 (permalink)
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So you're telling me I can take a crap in a can and sell it as art?
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Old 04-06-2014, 11:12 AM   #24 (permalink)
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So you're telling me I can take a crap in a can and sell it as art?
You can't, Piero Manzoni could. And a tin with 30 grams of his faeces was sold for €124,000. That my friend is art - a can full of crap.
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Some might not know what a Rothko looks like. This is the piece of art Fertitta bought:




And this one, called Orange, Red, Yellow lately (2012) cost its buyer the fine sum of $86.8 million:

I call it "trolling via art".
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I guess I am just not an art guy, but man I just can't see what is remotely special about those pieces. I mean I wouldn't pay $20 for that, let alone millions.
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WOW, I paint and love art, and never heard of this guy, but his work, or at least the pieces you posted are shit! Who would pay that much for that crap?
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Im pretty sure i have made that painting in the past. Where are my millions!!!?
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This is too funny. I see street performers on the strip of Vegas who draw a million times better than that and are making scraps. Weird world we live in...
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So you're telling me I can take a crap in a can and sell it as art?
Actually, art commerce is a similar principle as when MMA fans buy a particular MMA brand, because a fighter with a name has worn it. It's all about the name. Those artist usually CAN draw/paint perfectly and already had a name, before they became abstract. People who buy their art actually buy their name and the more someone paid for a piece of them, the more value their name gets.

With the right name, you also can expose a bathtub in which you took a bath, leaving a layer of grease/dirt on the side after letting the water out. A cleaning lady in the art gallery didn't quite understand the art though
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I was going to say,"wow that is one talented chinese immigrant" before I seen what a rothko painting actually looks like
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Actually, art commerce is a similar principle as when MMA fans buy a particular MMA brand, because a fighter with a name has worn it. It's all about the name. Those artist usually CAN draw/paint perfectly and already had a name, before they became abstract. People who buy their art actually buy their name and the more someone paid for a piece of them, the more value their name gets.

With the right name, you also can expose a bathtub in which you took a bath, leaving a layer of grease/dirt on the side after letting the water out. A cleaning lady in the art gallery didn't quite understand the art though
If you are trying to justify the value of a piece of blotched colors on canvas because they actually drew a decent picture at one time, you're not doing a good job.

I don't care if he was Michelangelo. I would pay $5 for a picture like that.
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I was going to say,"wow that is one talented chinese immigrant" before I seen what a rothko painting actually looks like
He is probably quite talented, because even if it looks like nothing, it's definitely NOT easy to exactly copy another artist's style to a degree that it would fool an expert.

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If you are trying to justify the value of a piece of blotched colors on canvas because they actually drew a decent picture at one time, you're not doing a good job.

I don't care if he was Michelangelo. I would pay $5 for a picture like that.
I don't try to justify anything. I just say how it works. The value is what people are willing to pay for it. If some billionaires are willing to pay millions, then the value obviously is millions. It's not reasonable at all, but it is like that.

It's the same as with a Tap Out shirt. It's production cost is maybe $0.5, but as soon as the brand logo is stamped on it, people are willing to pay $40, because some MMA fighter with a name has worn the same shirt, even though the quality is not better than a shirt for $5 without a brand name. With art it's just in millionaires and billionaires proportions.
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