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***OFFICIAL*** Jon Jones vs. Glover Teixeira Thread

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#1 ·



Light Heavyweight bout: 205 pounds
Main event - Five round fight for the UFC Light Heavyweight Title


 
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#39 ·
Glover has that x factor, his power is a threat. I just think Jones has a lot of advantages he can use to keep that from happening but it wouldn't be shocking to see him drop Jones if he lands something big flush.

I still think Jones comes out and plasters him with jabs and kicks, keeps him at range, beats him to the punch and tires him out, maybe finishes him.

The fact that Tex is a legitimate threat makes it a exciting fight for me though.
 
#40 ·
Glover has that x factor, his power is a threat. I just think Jones has a lot of advantages he can use to keep that from happening but it wouldn't be shocking to see him drop Jones if he lands something big flush.
It wouldn't be shocking to see him drop Jones if he lands something big flush, what would be shocking is if he is actually able to land said punch in the first place.

I just don't buy all the Teixeira hype. His biggest win is Bader... All his UFC wins are against the same type of opponent all less talented forms of Teixeira with no significant advantages. Kingsbury, Maldonado, Jackson, Te Huna, Bader. None of them are world beaters, in fact Bader is the only one that could possibly be considered a top 10 LHW fighter.

Jones is a completely different beast, he is tailor made to destroy Glover just like he has destroyed the other similar fighters he has faced(Bader, Jackson, Evans, Belfort, Sonnen).

To me Glover was given a relatively easy path to a LHW title shot, he never had to face any top 5 opponents(Gustafsson, Rashad, Machida, Davis). I think the UFC played this one perfect in order to make it seem like Glover is actually a legit contender, lots of people are going to be disappointed though imo.
 
#41 ·
Jones also had a pretty easy route to the title, even if he was gifted a shot due to an injury.

Who else besides Shogun and Rampage had wins over a "top 5" opponent before getting a title shot?
 
#43 ·
maybe im tripping but didnt Jon jones get a title shot from Ryan Bader too??

Neither guy had a rough road to the title but imo out of all their opponents combined to get to the title the order of toughest to least goes like so

Ryan Bader (Both)>>> Quinton Jackson (Tex Only Jones didnt fight him until he was Champ) >>>>>>> James Te Huna (Tex Only) >>> Brandon Vera (Jones Only) < Vlad Matyushenko (Jones Only)


When Quinton Jackson is on i think he is the best on that list but Jackson hasnt been on his game in a long time. He showed really great Take Down Defense in the Jon jones fight and if that jackson showed up to the Ryan Bader fight then he probably would have won. But an injured Jackson showed up to that fight and he looked horrible. (Did have a nice slam if i remember correctly though).
 
#47 ·
I am not using the argument that Glover is a bad match up solely because he had an easy run to the title... I am using that argument to prove Glover is still unproven... Yes Gus and Jones also had easy runs but like Glover were right place right time to get a shot. The main point is that Glover is still untested against top talent and especially has never fought a fighter like Jones who is likely better then Tex in every regard.

I knew Gus was going to be a tough fight for Jones for one simple reason, styles make fights and Gus has the striking ability, long reach and probably the best mobility at LHW. The one question was his takedown defense but he proved that was good enough and pretty much showed us what the perfect fighter to defeat Jones is.

Tex doesn't have any of those qualities... He is 2 inches shorter then Jones, has an 8 inch reach disadvantage and has a plodding style. He is the exact same style of fighter that Jones has destroyed many times. Jones destroyed Evans, Machida, Belfort and won a close fight with Gustafsson. All fighters that I think would have a decent chance of beating Tex.
 
#51 ·
It is Johnny, do you really expect an educated response? Unfortunately he has to respond in that way because there is no reasonable and logical explanation as to why a person should believe that Glover will beat Jones so he has to resort to childish antics in order to feel superior and needed.

The fact is Jones has been better at accomplishing everything Glover has ever accomplished. Same win streak(Hamill should be considered a win for obvious reasons), better opponents, fewer losses and more dominant. It is also fact that Glover has a significant disadvantage due to his physical disadvantages in height, reach, athletic ability and age.

Glover really only has a punchers chance as it is unlikely he can outwrestle Jones or submit him off his back. Not saying it is impossible but it is highly improbable.
 
#49 ·
Because it is always used for Bones's opponents. Oh Vitor? He only has a punchers chance. Page, punchers chance. Gustaf punchers chance, he will get taken down. Oh Tex punchers chance.

Same with GSP fights. Hendricks, punchers chance. Alves Punchers chance. Kos punchers chance.

It is easy to just assume the champ wins each time out. Now 420 says he knew Gustaf would give him a hard time. I'd love to see the posts leading up to that fight. I bet he said "punchers chance".

Tex has more of an all around game than Gus coming into the fight. Everyone assumed Gustaf would just get taken down. Remember, "he was never tested vs. a real wrestler". Then people would say "when he fought a wrestler, Phil...he lost!". Not caring to know that Gustaf lost in a scramble, not from getting taken down. He stuffed Phil.

Its a lazy way to discuss a fight. Just like it is lazy to say Tex has fought no top 5s. When that has never been the standard for the uFC in the first place.
 
#50 ·
Vitor did only have a punchers chance (which, in MMA, also can mean crazy out of nowhere armbars).

Rampage did only have a punchers chance, Jones is better in every area.

Gustaf never really got that. The height thing gave us all questions before the fight was made. No one sees Gus as a one hit KO no set up no skill kind of guy.

Hendricks had wrestling. If he could keep the fight standing (which he was able to), that was our question. Not a punchers chance.

To me, Glover isn't better than Jones anywhere. Jones is better at wrestling, better on the ground and has more of a striking arsenal. Glover can catch him with a big shot though...puncher's chance.
 
#54 ·
Perhaps we all just have different ideas of what punchers chance means.

To me it means the guy who has the punchers chance is no where near the level of his opponent. That his only chance is some random punch that just happens to land in the right place. That he really has no business being in there.

To me, I see Tex a guy who has showed nothing but awesome wrestling in the UFC, ragdolling a 204lb weigh in Page like Jones really couldn't do. A guy that looks very powerful. A guy who has finished very well in the most highly regarded BJJ tournament in the world. A guy who hasn't lost in years. A guy who seems to work very hard and has a will to be good.

I don't see a guy who has a punchers chance. So if he does KO Jones lets say in the late 1st, does that mean his "punchers chance" was perhaps true and he happened to land that one punch? Or would people say that Wow Tex is aggressive, scary, hits super hard, has good TDD, and knows how to find chins?

So many people said Gustaf has a "punchers chance". After he is highly reguarded. It is almost better to go out as Bones' opponent and lose a decision than it is to get a KO in round 1. If Tex fights him hard and loses 4-1 or 3-2 he will be praised given credit. If he goes out and actually wins by KO in the first, people will say lucky. That was his one chance that happened to happen.

Too many people these days don't value KO's. They think all are flukes. There is an art in being able to KO people. Mike Tyson wasn't lucky each time he disposed of a guy early in the fight.
 
#59 ·
-To me he has way more striking power. Way more.

-On paper more sound BJJ. More than probably any of his opponents. I respect Machida's BJJ game a lot, but that was right situation right time, he dwarfed Machida.

On paper Jones has better wrestling. But on Paper Jones had more of an advantage in that department vs. Gus. And Gus came in, took him down for first time ever. Stuffed many of his takedowns. I wouldn't be surprised if Glover got a TD this fight.

Perhaps Glover gets worked. But it is so funny how people say this each time. They will predict opponents have nothing for a champ. They will ride that train for a while. Gustaf gives him a hell of a fight and people act like they saw that one coming. Gustaf was 8-1 dog. Tex is 5-1. Perhaps because everyone found out Bones is human. But Gustaf was a massive underdog.

Tex has more ways of pulling this off then anyone of Bones' opponents minus maybe Gustaf and I guess people thought Machida had a style to win. Tex has was more chance of winning than Page, Rashad, Sonnen, Vitor...

Who were the only men big/strong/good enough TDD to stop Bones from taking them down? Gustaf and Rashad. 1 is a midget of a man who was content on cruising out a dec. loss from the outside. Could maybe match his wrestling but has nothing else. And the other gave him the fight of the year.

Not saying Tex should be favored or even close. But the fact that people say he does NOTHING as well as Jon. And has a "punchers chance" is off to me. Anyone with his aggressiveness and power has a good recipe to win any fights. Power changes fights, it isn't some skill that doesn't matter. Tex throws way harder than Jon Jones does. Jones obviously has the kicking game that can change a fight and spinning shit that is explosive. But in their hands? Tex has waay more power.

I will be interested in seeing if Tex can hit him with some short shots in the clinch. Doesn't need to be some haymaker. Tex generates great power in a short distance. Not that Jones has a bad chin. But Tex should be ultra aggressive here, not wild. But push the pace, always forward. In the clinch he should go for it. Put his glove to chin. He can't let Jones sit at distance. Come forward from the start.
 
#62 ·
By loot I meant you know actual money. Not play dollars on a forum. I find it hilarious that you are acting like forum credits is some form of backing something up.

But yea I will take the wager. Not sure what I would do with 1 million credits. Perhaps go on vacation to Brazil.
 
#79 ·
You don't have to be a "run of the mill, mediocre fighter" to have a puncher's chance.

Puncher's chance means that a fighter has a disadvantage in the striking department but still has a chance to win because he has power in his fists and can win if he lands cleanly.

One such example was Bigfoot vs Overeem. Bigfoot had a puncher's chance against Overeem. He is slower, less technical and loses that fight more often then he wins it but with his power all it took was one clean punch to end the fight.

I have a hard time believing that the people that think Glover will win will dominate the fight. Most people are saying IF he lands then Jones could be in a lot of trouble. That right there is the definition of puncher's chance.
 
#90 ·
I don't think Jones has an edge or advantage in the striking at all. They both have polar opposite striking styles, and I'd say they're both equally as effect. Jon Jones has a Muay Thai based rangey approach and uses his strikes to wear his opponents down from range, it's actually quite similar to Carlos Condits style. Glover is an in your face, extreme combination power puncher who constantly pressures and looks to get on the inside. Different striking styles, both men employ their styles to work greatly in their favour.

Striking - even - Glover has much more power, better combinations Jones has range and some unorthodox moves

BJJ - on paper, Glover has the better credentials and he's converted his BJJ over to MMA very well. Jones has excellent chokes. Even.

Cardio - We seen Glover tire a bit in the Maldonado fight, Jones has the experience in five rounders. Jones.

Heart - Jones shown his heart and championship spirit in the Gus fight, Glover has shown that he can get rocked and immediately come back and score the KO. Both are very hungry, both have heart, I'd say Glover is calmer when he gets hit and is more comfortable in that situation, but over all I'd say even.

Wrestling - Jones is a monster wrestler, but for the first time shown vulnerability in the Gus fight. Glover is also a beast wrestler, has powerful take downs and is the only fighter I can think of that was taking Rampage down at will with ease. Both have great gnp, but Jones' elbows on the ground are on another level. Advantage - Jones.

I'd say both fighters are very evenly matched, how ever both have polar opposite styles. I'm expecting a five round back and forth war with Glover possibly coming out with his hand raised.
 
#95 ·
The thing is Jones' reach and overall frame is hard to overcome. On the ground he engulfs you. Makes it very hard to deal with his grappling, it is like an octopus. Standing he just uses his reach very well, unlike Struve.

Skill for skill Tex has every bit as good of hands as Bones. The question is how will he get inside on him? He will need to be ultra aggressive and make Bones react instead of the other way around. Hard to stand with anyone who has such a reach advantage. Cant just sit there like Rashad, Page, and Shogun did. And I dont think Tex will.
 
#96 ·
I am too bad on predictions, specially in MMA. So many surprises I've seen, few results surprise me nowadays. Last Werdum's performance, standing total domination of way taller stand up fighter Browne was a genuine surprise for me, though.

Between Glover and Jones, I can't imagine any outcome that would be "surprising", so I will just enjoy what will come.

A Jones win is anticipated by many, but a Glover win in no way can be considered an upset. He is a world class striker, great wrestler himself and an ADCC caliber grappler. Jones has his elbows and reach, but they work better in a certain range. If Glover closes that distance he can land his own combos. Jones did not show that 1 punch KO power himself.
I still think his best chances would be taking Glover down and rain elbows from the top.

All that being said, I hope Glover shuts him down. That would make my year.
 
#98 ·
bones reach and glovers chin are the biggest biggest questions in this fight.. can glover deal with bones reach? can he handle jones somewhat limited power without getting rocked or KO'd? because he will get tagged but if he can keep his composure and close the distance then it should be a competative bout.
 
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