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Old 05-01-2014, 10:33 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I feel sorry for the twat who sat there for god knows how many hours, scouring the archives to find all that footage of Chael talking shit. I would like to think it was Wand himself, sitting there into the early hours mumbling angry mumblings while collecting it all. But he probably got one of his brown nosers to do it.
Nop. Quite the contrary. That was one of the best compilations ever put together. People got banned from UFC for typing a tiny fraction of all this Sonnen did while being teenagers or for personal problems already settled in their lives.
This is the type of behavior that should get eradicated for good from the sport, no matter what label you want to chose to justify it: joke, trolling, whatever. The simply fact so many persons take is as offensive (because it is) is enough.
Here it deserves another go.



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Actually people make fun of countries/women/men/children/people/culture on a day to day basis and don't get "beat to a pulp", and actually that kind of humor is funny to quite a large portion of people on this planet. In fact there is a group of people that make a good living doing that very thing because of how much money people around the world are willing to pay to get that kind of joke/humor in their life. Unless a person is extremely dense it's quite obvious is he joking to get into people's heads and create a character for media hype, or "trolling", whatever you would like it to be called.
Things will be funny depending on the side of the joke you are. This is not a stage where you or me are going to watch our favorite spicy comedian because we chose to. This guy is addressing the general public of an international sport and being aggressive and racist and you are defending it as it would be just a comedy act. I really don't know what comedy act you could compare to what Sonnen did even using the list of comedians OWNS proudly displays (Jerry Seinfeld is missing, btw). Although making heavy jokes, it is clear those are jokes and they are smiling at the process. Heavy jokes are fun, but how can you compare Chael Sonnen acts to those guys stand up comedy? That is inconceivable. That has zero to do with their shows.
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Old 05-01-2014, 10:37 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Wand just wants more people watching what will likely be his last fight so he can hang em up with his pockets full. If he somehow manages to knock Fhael out I'm going to die laughing. Or at least bruise a rib. He needs to pray to the MMA gods the way Conan the barbarian did to Crom though to make it so.
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Nop. Quite the contrary. That was one of the best compilations ever put together. People got banned from UFC for typing a tiny fraction of all this Sonnen did while being teenagers or for personal problems already settled in their lives.
This is the type of behavior that should get eradicated for good from the sport, no matter what label you want to chose to justify it: joke, trolling, whatever. The simply fact so many persons take is as offensive (because it is) is enough.
Here it deserves another go.





Things will be funny depending on the side of the joke you are. This is not a stage where you or me are going to watch our favorite spicy comedian because we chose to. This guy is addressing the general public of an international sport and being aggressive and racist and you are defending it as it would be just a comedy act. I really don't know what comedy act you could compare to what Sonnen did even using the list of comedians OWNS proudly displays (Jerry Seinfeld is missing, btw). Although making heavy jokes, it is clear those are jokes and they are smiling at the process. Heavy jokes are fun, but how can you compare Chael Sonnen acts to those guys stand up comedy? That is inconceivable. That has zero to do with their shows.
Why would I put seinfeld on my list? he's an ok clean comic but all his material is "what's the deal with" jokes and it's all squeaky clean. And I never said chael should be a stand up comic, he wouldn't be good at all but he would probably be better then when mayhem miller did stand up ugh.
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Things will be funny depending on the side of the joke you are. This is not a stage where you or me are going to watch our favorite spicy comedian because we chose to. This guy is addressing the general public of an international sport and being aggressive and racist and you are defending it as it would be just a comedy act. I really don't know what comedy act you could compare to what Sonnen did even using the list of comedians OWNS proudly displays (Jerry Seinfeld is missing, btw). Although making heavy jokes, it is clear those are jokes and they are smiling at the process. Heavy jokes are fun, but how can you compare Chael Sonnen acts to those guys stand up comedy? That is inconceivable. That has zero to do with their shows.
How is he being racist?

People can certainly find Sonnen's jokes and attitude amusing (obviously, many do). You can't compare Sonnen to a stand up comedian you are right, it is not his job to be funny. However, it is his job to put on a show and to entertain. Even Dana has stated that guys need to get their name out there and create hype, and that's what Sonnen has done, quite successfully and has gathered many fans by his antics, including myself.
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Actually people make fun of countries/women/men/children/people/culture on a day to day basis and don't get "beat to a pulp", and actually that kind of humor is funny to quite a large portion of people on this planet. In fact there is a group of people that make a good living doing that very thing because of how much money people around the world are willing to pay to get that kind of joke/humor in their life. Unless a person is extremely dense it's quite obvious is he joking to get into people's heads and create a character for media hype, or "trolling", whatever you would like it to be called.

I honestly don't think Wanderlei has such a low IQ as to believe anything Sonnen says is legitimately serious, even Anderson knew he wasn't serious hell Sonnen and Anderson get along quite well from what has been shown. Anderson has even said straight out that Sonnen is a good guy and just says things to hype fights, this is after he made fun of Brazil/his wife/etc. Why? Because it's obvious to anyone with two working eyes and ears what Sonnen is doing, except apparently Wanderlei... but again, I don't believe he is that dumb, so I believe he's just playing the hype game as well and creating more feud than what's actually there.
People who walk into comedy clubs know that is part of the deal, they essentially volunteer for it. Even then there are limits, see Michael Richards.

If a guy on the street tried to say this kind of stuff to a stranger, yes he most likely would get beat into a pulp. Stuff like "I'd slap your wife on the ass" etc. doesn't exactly fly with strangers. People in a comedy club volunteer to be part of the act. People in sports, real life etc. not so much.

You can't just say "it's an act" and use that as an excuse to pull that act in real life with people not in on it. Not without being a total douchnozzle and getting your just desserts for it.

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Seeing how many people called brazilians savages, monkeys and whatnot on another thread, it doesn't surprise me at all that they don't consider Sonnen racist.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:17 AM   #27 (permalink)
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People who walk into comedy clubs know that is part of the deal, they essentially volunteer for it. Even then there are limits, see Michael Richards.

If a guy on the street tried to say this kind of stuff to a stranger, yes he most likely would get beat into a pulp. Stuff like "I'd slap your wife on the ass" etc. doesn't exactly fly with strangers. People in a comedy club volunteer to be part of the act. People in sports, real life etc. not so much.

You can't just say "it's an act" and use that as an excuse to pull that act in real life with people not in on it. Not without being a total douchnozzle and getting your just desserts for it.

But the comments were for a purpose, not for the sole sake of making the comments.

The comments got him several title fights (along with his fighting ability.)

The comments broke ratings for those fights.

The people he directed them at knew they were for a purpose (except Wanderlei... who doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed).

Like it or not, his antics have done him very well in this sport. The people who know what he's doing simply laugh or shrug it off. The people who don't.... well... post things about their panties being in a twist.
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Old 05-02-2014, 09:22 AM   #28 (permalink)
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But the comments were for a purpose, not for the sole sake of making the comments.

The comments got him several title fights (along with his fighting ability.)

The comments broke ratings for those fights.

The people he directed them at knew they were for a purpose (except Wanderlei... who doesn't seem like the sharpest tool in the shed).

Like it or not, his antics have done him very well in this sport. The people who know what he's doing simply laugh or shrug it off. The people who don't.... well... post things about their panties being in a twist.
That's still unilateral, don't you see? If Anderson and Sonnen BOTH sat down and agreed to do the trash talk, then it might have been ok, as people volunteer to do so when they walk into a comedy club.

Even then, there was no way he could enter into that sort of understanding with the entire country of Brazil. They didn't sign up for the insults, the way people do for comedians.

Simply saying "oh it was for the purpose of selling fights and making him money!" does not make it ok, in fact it makes it worse. It makes him a douche AND greedy. It's like saying "he sold his daughter, but's wait, it's ok ... he did it for the money!"

The fact that it got him undeserved title fights ... are we seriously arguing this as a legit reason? That's the worst of all. Turning a sport into some sort of WWE fest just so this guy could get his ass beat by a guy way above his level in another weight class, and giving us bogus undeserved title fights. That's the kind of thing that turns me away from MMA as a sport, as I'm sure it does others.

It starts to feel rigged and undeserved for entertainment, rather than real sports where teams or players HAVE to work their way up in a tournament, elimination or playoffs format rather that "who talks more trash, because lawlz 13 year old racists on the internet find it entertaining".

About your ending line, please, bait elsewhere. It's quite plain it's the Sonnen lovers have their polka sonnen face panties in a twist every time I comment on one of these threads, the poor defenders of the testosterone-less white knight. I just like to argue facts, and it's not just in Sonnen threads.
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That's still unilateral, don't you see? If Anderson and Sonnen BOTH sat down and agreed to do the trash talk, then it might have been ok, as people volunteer to do so when they walk into a comedy club.

Even then, there was no way he could enter into that sort of understanding with the entire country of Brazil. They didn't sign up for the insults, the way people do for comedians.

Simply saying "oh it was for the purpose of selling fights and making him money!" does not make it ok, in fact it makes it worse. It makes him a douche AND greedy.

The fact that it got him undeserved title fights ... are we seriously arguing this as a legit reason? That's the worst of all. Turning a sport into some sort of WWE douche fest just so this guy could get his ass beat by a guy way above his level in another weight class, and giving us bogus undeserved title fights. That's the kind of thing that turns me away from MMA as a sport, as I'm sure it does others.

It starts to feel rigged and undeserved for entertainment, rather than real sports where teams or players HAVE to work their way up in a tournament or elimination format rather that "who talks more trash, because lawlz 13 year old racists on the internet find it entertaining".

About your ending line, please, it's quite plain it's the Sonnen lovers have their polka sonnen face panties in a twist every time I comment on one of these threads, the poor defenders of the testosterone-less white knight. I just like to argue facts, and it's not just in Sonnen threads.
Well... Just no.

I'll agree he had one un deserved title shot. The other two he earned rightfully so.

Obviously Dana was okay and likely encouraged Sonnens act. That's the person you should be upset with for allowing him to joke in the manner he did.

You have your reasons for being upset with him and the sport... And that's fine. You're obviously sensitive when it comes to the subject.

Myself and the other Sonnen fans clearly aren't the upset ones here. Every post you make is full of emotion and you sound like a little girl screaming about her cell phone being taken away.

You want to talk facts? I'm waiting. The fact is it is an act that even Silva admits to seeing after Sonnen slammed him worse than anyone. But hey, you obviously know more than him.

One of the most humorous things on this site is seeing people obviously bent out of shape while repeatedly trying to act like their not.
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Well... Just no.

I'll agree he had one un deserved title shot. The other two he earned rightfully so.

Obviously Dana was okay and likely encouraged Sonnens act. That's the person you should be upset with for allowing him to joke in the manner he did.

You have your reasons for being upset with him and the sport... And that's fine. You're obviously sensitive when it comes to the subject.

Myself and the other Sonnen fans clearly aren't the upset ones here. Every post you make is full of emotion and you sound like a little girl screaming about her cell phone being taken away.

You want to talk facts? I'm waiting. The fact is it is an act that even Silva admits to seeing after Sonnen slammed him worse than anyone. But hey, you obviously know more than him.

One of the most humorous things on this site is seeing people obviously bent out of shape while repeatedly trying to act like their not.
screaming girl blah blah, more insults, no logic, didn't expect any less. It's plain you exemplify what you're talking about, trying to be nonchalant while baiting non stop and clearly seething and tossing insults.

Whatever, at the end of the day, most of the guys I like come out on top, most of my predictions come true, while yourself and Sonnen fans run around crying after he predictably curls up into a little ball every time he's broken by the guys he tosses insults at.

Silva doesn't think Sonnen is a great guy, he just buried the hatchet after beating him. That's what martial artists do.

Or did you mean Silva admits to seeing stars (missing word)? Yeah he got slammed by Sonnen, big deal, Silva still beat him both times, even the first time when he was raging on steroids, and beat the living crap out of him the second time. Enjoy the small consolations like "but he slammed him!", that's all your sad hero can give.

And yes, I dislike Dana for what he's done and doing to the sport as well. MMA would have grown regardless of his presence, it only needed Fertitta level money, and he's certainly damaging it now.
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