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Old 05-10-2014, 11:36 AM   #21 (permalink)
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It isn't working because people are tired of paying $55 or whatever it is per event.

Now people just watch the free events or if they really want to see a PPV go to a bar or something to do so. Everyone is only going to pay out the big bucks for those amazing events when they come along.

UFC 172 was not a great card to sell PPV's. It ended up being a great event but this it what the average person would think when looking at the fights.

Bones vs Teixeira - Bones is good but should win easily
Johnson vs Davis - Isn't he that ww guy and Davis is boring
Rockhold vs Boetsch - Sounds familiar but can't remember who Rockhold is, Boetsch is ok
Miller vs Medeiros - Miller is tough but who the hell is Medeiros
Holloway vs Fili - Who are these guys

The problem is that this card was just not up to top end PPV quality. To bring in the big numbers you need to have either a stacked card or one must see fight and Jones vs Tex isn't that quality of fight.


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That's exactly the problem, Rockhold is a top ten guy whose fought the likes of Vitor and Jacare, he was the former SF Champ, so why do fans not know him? UFC can't promote the fighters anymore and boxing is.
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Old 05-10-2014, 11:41 AM   #22 (permalink)
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And people say boxing is dying.

Rousey and Jones the two biggest draws the sport has right now, are barely drawing over 1/4 of what Mayweather draws. The UFC needs to do a better job with its stars.

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But Dana is doing a great job with his fighters. Like constantly slamming and critisizing his guy's coming off W's and such.
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Yes because the 200,000 something buys Diaz got against BI Penn would be a great deal to the UFC right now.
He did 280,000. ON a card that had GSP and Condit on it but was scraped at the last second. In his first UFC fight back where many UFC new fans probably didn't know who he was.

55k more than the card right beforehand that featured 2 title fights. A trilogy Frankie vs. Maynard. Aldo/KenFlo, and oh yea that guy Chael Sonnen. Diaz/Penn did more than 2 title fights + Sonnen. ON a card that was pretty shitty.

Get out of here with that crap. Diaz could sell as much or more than many of these guys with titles. Yea, the UFC couldn't use that at all. When they have Maldonado stepping in for main events.

Yea right dude. Nick Diaz is the only man under 185lbs who could headline a PPV without a title. He has done it twice out of his 3 fights back in the UFC. Sure...The UFC couldn't use that right now. Barao and Aldo both top 5 P4P can't headline a PPV on their own with titles. Yet the UFC couldn't use a guy like Diaz. hahahahahahaha
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That's exactly the problem, Rockhold is a top ten guy whose fought the likes of Vitor and Jacare, he was the former SF Champ, so why do fans not know him? UFC can't promote the fighters anymore and boxing is.
Fans don't know him because most fans never watched Strikeforce nor care about it. The UFC tried to promote him big in his first fight even giving him main event status but he lost that fight so he and the UFC lost all traction. Had he of beaten Belfort it would be a different story but instead most regular fans just figured he was yet another overrated fighter from some other organization that can't cut it in the UFC...

He had a good win against Phillipou again as a main event(unfortunately a weak card that many average fans didn't bother to watch though) but that isn't enough to sell to fans and it will probably still take a another couple of fights to really turn him into a draw(if he can keep winning).

My main point is the UFC could do a little better at supporting some of their fighters but those fighters need to do their part and win fights in order for them to become stars and gain drawing power.
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Fans don't know him because most fans never watched Strikeforce nor care about it. The UFC tried to promote him big in his first fight even giving him main event status but he lost that fight so he and the UFC lost all traction. Had he of beaten Belfort it would be a different story but instead most regular fans just figured he was yet another overrated fighter from some other organization that can't cut it in the UFC...

He had a good win against Phillipou again as a main event(unfortunately a weak card that many average fans didn't bother to watch though) but that isn't enough to sell to fans and it will probably still take a another couple of fights to really turn him into a draw(if he can keep winning).

My main point is the UFC could do a little better at supporting some of their fighters but those fighters need to do their part and win fights in order for them to become stars and gain drawing power.
So why are Aldo and Barao not draws? Barao hasn't lost a fight since 2005, he hasn't lost in 9 years, that's reaching Fedor territory and unlike Aldo he wins in spectacular fshion. He's had the belt for a while snd crushed Faber twice, he should be promoted in a big way.

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Nick's true PPV selling rate is a mediocre 340k... GSP fans are the ones that bought that fight not Diaz fans... And coming off 2 losses Diaz wouldn't be able to draw more then 300k in a non title fight as there is no matches that the people would be that interested to see(hardcores will say Lawler but that won't sell to the regular fans, maybe as a co-main but not as a main event).

Paying Diaz ridiculous amounts of money to come back and fight makes no sense because it sets a new precedence for wages that over a short period of time will quickly cost the UFC more then what they would make off of the 1 or maybe 2 fights they might get out of him before he whines and retires again...

I have said it many times before, bringing back Diaz would be a huge mistake and big waste of time and make the organization look bad. I hope to hell they don't do it unless he comes crawling back and fights at his current contract against a middle of the pack opponent like he should be doing...
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So why are Aldo and Barao not draws? Barao hasn't lost a fight since 2005, he hasn't lost in 9 years, that's reaching Fedor territory and unlike Aldo he wins in spectacular fshion. He's had the belt for a while snd crushed Faber twice, he should be promoted in a big way.

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Both are fighters that the UFC does need to support better but as I have mentioned before they also needs to open up to US fans if he wants to become a PPV stars. I am sure the UFC makes good money off them via their Brazil network deals but we don't get to see those numbers to know how they compare to US stars selling PPV's. Both Aldo and Barao need to help the UFC out and do more interviews, media appearances and learn to speak English in order to become big stars in the US. Skill isn't enough to make a big star you have to act the part too, that is one of the reasons why Jones wasn't able to draw huge amounts in this event...
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Pacquiao, Canelo, Broner, Maidana, Bradley, Marquez, JCC Jr, Martinez, and Cotto.

Who else is drawing in the UFC?

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I like boxing but most of these guys will only be on PPV if they fight Mayweather or Pacquaio or have a superfight amongst themselves.

A true PPV person will always be on PPV, not just when the stars line up.
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Nick's true PPV selling rate is a mediocre 340k... GSP fans are the ones that bought that fight not Diaz fans... And coming off 2 losses Diaz wouldn't be able to draw more then 300k in a non title fight as there is no matches that the people would be that interested to see(hardcores will say Lawler but that won't sell to the regular fans, maybe as a co-main but not as a main event).

Paying Diaz ridiculous amounts of money to come back and fight makes no sense because it sets a new precedence for wages that over a short period of time will quickly cost the UFC more then what they would make off of the 1 or maybe 2 fights they might get out of him before he whines and retires again...

I have said it many times before, bringing back Diaz would be a huge mistake and big waste of time and make the organization look bad. I hope to hell they don't do it unless he comes crawling back and fights at his current contract against a middle of the pack opponent like he should be doing...
Sonnen and Kenny both said Nick is worth every penny of what he is asking. So there are at least 2 fairly qualified people who agree with me. In today's MMA getting 300k out of a WW who doesn't even hold a title is gold. No other man could do that or even come close. Rory? Wood? Lombard? Not a chance.
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The UFC is stupid, greedy, and lazy they spent years using Pride stars instead of making their own, they cut to many guys when they expanded to other divisions and they shouldn't be running a PPV a month.

The question is going to be if Johnson and Barao draw less than 100K, if they happens the UFC needs to kill a division preferably 135.
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