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post #11 of 22 (permalink) Old 05-12-2014, 06:14 PM
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Interim titles are dumb. In no way should they do one at ww. Hendricks will be back before the start of the year won't he? Not sure why the ufc HAS to thin out the division. It is great to Have a ton of guys who fans think deserve the shot. How is that a bad thing??

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Interim titles are dumb. In no way should they do one at ww. Hendricks will be back before the start of the year won't he? Not sure why the ufc HAS to thin out the division. It is great to Have a ton of guys who fans think deserve the shot. How is that a bad thing??
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Diaz vs Condit drew 400,000 buys betcha that's the same amount the next two UFC's will draw combined.

The Summer PPV cards this year are frankly terrible inserting two WW title fights (for 176 and 177) might save the summer.

The UFC needs to make stars, Brown not fighting for a title after that fight is just stupid. It's a real possibility that of Woodley, Macdonald, Lombard, and Brown only one of them might be fighting for the title. The UFC has this golden goose of 170lbs an instead of building fan bases for these guys they are just going to have them cannibalize themselves.
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Oh I agree with you there and have been the leader in saying this here. Yea it's a ploy the ufc can use to build a star/buzz for casual fans to eat. But as a fan of mma I'm not hoping they do it as it is cheesy and useless. So I'm not c ailing for it. UFC is big boys, I won't hope or root for them to line their Pockets. Perhaps you were just saying that is what they should do for business rather than what you as a fan wants. Perhaps I read it wrong.
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Oh I agree with you there and have been the leader in saying this here. Yea it's a ploy the ufc can use to build a star/buzz for casual fans to eat. But as a fan of mma I'm not hoping they do it as it is cheesy and useless. So I'm not c ailing for it. UFC is big boys, I won't hope or root for them to line their Pockets. Perhaps you were just saying that is what they should do for business rather than what you as a fan wants. Perhaps I read it wrong.
Actually it's both, for the business and the fans. I like Ali Bagautinov, Chad Mendes, and TJ Dillashaw but they should not be in the main events of PPVs those are going to be three one-sided beat downs. And with an interim title hanging around you can have control to book better fights.
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Meh I find it cheesy as hell. Interim just means glorified #1 contenders fight with a cheesy burger king belt. I'm a big Diaz fan but I thought it was dumb that it was an interim title on the line. As if that means jack shit when a long time champ like GSP still holds the real belt. I get in some cases, Cruz is a prime example. And at least GSP was often hurt; pulled out of the fight. If Hendricks returns before the year is up it will be like 2 fights in 10 months. That is quite the norm for activity these days.

I don't think the UFC has to hurry to make knockout fights right now. Hendricks can face Lombard at the end of the year. Winner can face rory/wood winner in like March. Brown can fight berger/Lawler winner. How long has Cain been out? There was no interim there. Hell they are Gonna do a whole TUF season before he fights again.

Nate pointed out Pettis' lack of activity too. I agree that for the ufc manufacturing hype is a need right now as they have hit a lull with injury and stars fading. But I myself don't see how an interim titles gives them chances for better fights? Just puts a label of hype on it that is fake.
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Interim titles are dumb. In no way should they do one at ww.
Agreed. Interim titles are nothing more than marketing schemes. They don't progress the division at all while the champ is gone. It is just as held up as even the interim champ knows he is still only the #1 contender and not the real champ.


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Agreed. Interim titles are nothing more than marketing schemes. They don't progress the division at all while the champ is gone. It is just as held up as even the interim champ knows he is still only the #1 contender and not the real champ.
Well I don't think their is anything wrong with marketing better for a big title fight than a month of being sold on TJ Dillashaw.

But look at the history

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Arlovski/Sylvia - Launched a championship trilogy
Sylvia/Nog - Got Nog a title which has kept him at the top of the card ever since...CC didn't have that.
Mir/Nog - setup the greatest show in UFC history
Carwin/Mir - Co-Main evented the absurd Hardy/GSP mismatch(which is why we need the WW one)

LHW
Couture/Liddell - Launched another championship trilogy. ended the Tito era

WW
GSP/Hughes - main evented a fantastic card started the run for the UFC's biggest draw of the post Lesnar era
Condit/Diaz - did 400K buys and set up co-main eventers for years to come.

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Barao/Faber - current champion and set up a huge rematch

So of the 8 interim title fights only one(Carwin/Mir) you could argue didn't have a lasting and profound impact on the sport.
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Yeah but there were reasons to make interim titles for all of those fights listed above. There is no need for a WW interim title at the time.



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Well I don't think their is anything wrong with marketing better for a big title fight than a month of being sold on TJ Dillashaw.

But look at the history

HW

Arlovski/Sylvia - Launched a championship trilogy
Sylvia/Nog - Got Nog a title which has kept him at the top of the card ever since...CC didn't have that.
Mir/Nog - setup the greatest show in UFC history
Carwin/Mir - Co-Main evented the absurd Hardy/GSP mismatch(which is why we need the WW one)

LHW
Couture/Liddell - Launched another championship trilogy. ended the Tito era

WW
GSP/Hughes - main evented a fantastic card started the run for the UFC's biggest draw of the post Lesnar era
Condit/Diaz - did 400K buys and set up co-main eventers for years to come.

FW

Barao/Faber - current champion and set up a huge rematch

So of the 8 interim title fights only one(Carwin/Mir) you could argue didn't have a lasting and profound impact on the sport.
I agree with you in the ufc's marketing eyes and pockets that it's a good move. But what would they start doing? Each time a champ is injured have an interim belt?
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I agree with you in the ufc's marketing eyes and pockets that it's a good move. But what would they start doing? Each time a champ is injured have an interim belt?
Yes they should this is a case where you have a number of guys who have earned title shots and you can make 4 main events with championships as opposed to 1.

Looking at the odds for the next UFC PPV the Main Event and Co-Mainevent are Barao is -900, Cormier is -1200. Those are "fake" Pride match odds who wants to watch those fights?

Don't forget the last three men who fought for the title they didn't really earn those opportunities, Hendricks lost, Diaz lost and Robbie Lawler while the feel good story of last year would never have been brought back into the UFC with a 1-3 record in his last four.

Clearing out the log jam at 170 is important but what is also important is getting people used to interim belts again because let me tell you some, Cain Velasquez and Anthony Pettis are not durable guys and while they lack the challengers Hendricks the need is going to be there. You can't have 1 HW title a year or hold off top talent like Aldo and Alvarez from getting those opportunities to be 155lb champion.
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