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Old 06-03-2014, 01:23 PM   #41 (permalink)
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I believe it goes hand-in-hand; his hardcore followers in Sweden voted him in. It is like in basketball and baseball (on a grander scale), undeserving players from China and Japan would get voted into the all-star game all the time due to people supporting their countryman.

A lot of people scored the fight with their heart. Pretty much all media outlets had it for Bones. I know it is far from the "end all be all", but I think people were taking surprises and preferences into who they think won. A close fight does not merit a rematch. Since they fought, Bones beat Glover in a PPV main event while Gus beat a no-namer on Fight Pass. That does not exactly stack up. Cormier scares me more and I hate him, but I would way rather Bones/Cormier.
Ask yourself something. If a guy wins by a close 48-47 on most cards and is sent to the hospital and looks beat up does not that warrant a rematch?
Belt or no belt, 10-9 or 9-10, real MMA fans with a brain still knows Jones was beat up by Gustafsson.

If we exclude the outcome and belt I would rather have wanted to be in Gus shoes than Jones shoes after that fight. Knowing that you beat opponent up ranks higher than knowing you got opponent gasing.
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Why do you hate Daniel Cormier so much? ...
Here we go again. What is it with fans who think anyone not impressed with their guy must hate him. Is it possible I really believe Cormier is overhyped?

I disagree with you that Cormier is a great LHW. He's decent but will lose to several LHW's if he ever fights them. Post TRT Hendo is a gift to any LHW in the division. Shogun would beat Hendo in a 3rd rematch handily.

Regarding Jones, I do think he's ducking Gus, and believes he's going to have trouble with Gus. Cormier is a dream matchup for him. He'll pick him apart on the feet and deal with his shots easily. Jones needs to step up and fight the true #1 contender.

I know to many that sounds hateful. "how dare you !"
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I believe it goes hand-in-hand; his hardcore followers in Sweden voted him in. It is like in basketball and baseball (on a grander scale), undeserving players from China and Japan would get voted into the all-star game all the time due to people supporting their countryman.

A lot of people scored the fight with their heart. Pretty much all media outlets had it for Bones. I know it is far from the "end all be all", but I think people were taking surprises and preferences into who they think won. A close fight does not merit a rematch. Since they fought, Bones beat Glover in a PPV main event while Gus beat a no-namer on Fight Pass. That does not exactly stack up. Cormier scares me more and I hate him, but I would way rather Bones/Cormier.
Look, I'm not trying to change your mind about the outcome of the first fight, but to dismiss opinions like mine as "scoring the fight with their heart" is just wrong. Jones got the decision (which I don't think he earned, but let's just agree to disagree), but to people like me it was clear who got beat up more in that fight. Gus walked out of the Octagon, Jones was carried out. I'm sure you saw the picture of them in the hospital where Alex was standing next to Jon, who was lying in a bed. To me that says a lot about that fight, and for that alone I think there needs to be a rematch. It also says a lot when Jones is trying to do everything he can to not have to fight Gus again. He won't even say the name Gus!

Finally, this whole situation is simply too identical to Rocky (with the difference being that Apollo wanted to prove that he can beat Rocky), and I want to see Rocky II!
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Shogun would beat Hendo in a 3rd rematch handily.
Sorry for going off topic, but that is such a bullshit statement! Shogun was doing exactly that, and Hendo still found a way to win! He couldn't do it, and there's no reason to think he can do it.
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Sorry for going off topic, but that is such a bullshit statement! Shogun was doing exactly that, and Hendo still found a way to win! He couldn't do it, and there's no reason to think he can do it.
No there is actually plenty of reasons to think he can win a rematch.. he was dominated and gassed the entire fight until that one punch.. sure shougun might have lost his " jaw " but still he's a more complete fighter who can beat hendo... that's just my opinion and some other guys too.. so don't be a dick about it
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No there is actually plenty of reasons to think he can win a rematch.. he was dominated and gassed the entire fight until that one punch.. sure shougun might have lost his " jaw " but still he's a more complete fighter who can beat hendo... that's just my opinion and some other guys too.. so don't be a dick about it
Of course he would, and there's not even a question about it. If Dan still had his TRT exemption, yes, I would say he's still got a shot (a long one, but one nevertheless). But he now virtually has no shot.

The only reason this bugs people is because they think Cormier is the only guy on earth that can beat Henderson. It amazes me how delusional people get about this.
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Of course he would, and there's not even a question about it. If Dan still had his TRT exemption, yes, I would say he's still got a shot (a long one, but one nevertheless). But he now virtually has no shot.

The only reason this bugs people is because they think Cormier is the only guy on earth that can beat Henderson. It amazes me how delusional people get about this.
Still sure hendo wasn't the baddest man Alive when they fought but cormier beat and foght some of the greatest hw fighters in the ufc.. ( not the title contenders though ) he still fight everything thrown at him even if if as weak as cummins and hendo at lhw
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To Gus fan: All the judges had it 49-46. Even if you had it 48-47, who cares? I thought Hendricks was robbed against GSP. If GSP stuck around, I do NOT think Hendricks should have gotten an immediate rematch. As challenger, it's your job to go take the title, not "stay competitive" and hope the judging goes in your favor. If Gus beat someone remotely meaningful in-between, then fine. But he did not. Ever since Shogun/Machida, everybody clamors for a rematch every time a fight is close or has even like 10% controversy.

To Daisuke: Jones looking worse after the fight is irrelevant. Hendricks looked worse after the Lawler fight, but clearly Hendricks won. It's a sport/competition, not a "whose face looks worse". I don't want to steer off topic since I know that's not your attention. Also, rematches aren't exciting if they happen so soon, like with Cain/JDS. If Bones fought Gus, that would only be a year in-between fights. Then if Gus won, it'd be six months before they fought again.

If there were no remotely deserving challengers, then I'd be OK with Bones/Gus. But as much as I can't stand and dislike Cormier, he should be getting the next shot.
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Here we go again. What is it with fans who think anyone not impressed with their guy must hate him. Is it possible I really believe Cormier is overhyped?

I disagree with you that Cormier is a great LHW. He's decent but will lose to several LHW's if he ever fights them.
I didn't say he was a great LHW.

I just can't quite workout why you think Cormier sucks so badly when he's never been in trouble, has beaten every fighter he's ever been the other side of the cage to, and he's beaten some VERY tough fighters. He also has incredible wrestling credentials, coaches Cain Velasquez wrestling, and the guys who train him claim he's a monster. What has he done to remotely suggest that he's overhyped? Or an average fighter?

Also, he might be overhyped, but you dismiss the guys ability, and his record at every opportunity. Seems to me like you're more of a hater, than someone that just thinks he's overhyped.
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Cormiers wins over Barnett and Big Foot were very impressive, but I still don't think his UFC run has been any thing to get a stiffy over.

His win over Mir was an absolute snoozer, seemed to play it safe for three rounds. His win over Nelson, same thing. Neither were overly impressive victories, no where near as impressive as Big Foot/Barnett. Then he crushed a can at LHW and slammed Hendo a couple of times and choked him out. Hendo, the same guy who was out wrestled by Shogun and Jake Shields. He also wanted NOTHING to do with Hendo's striking. He seemed rather tentative in the striking against Nelson too. Cormier also doesn't react well at all to getting hit.

No doubt, he's a very good fighter and has more than solid wins and his record and is deserving of a shot, but I highly doubt he starts slamming Jones all over the octagon. The thing is, people are awe struck by how visually pleasing these few slams are he's pulled off, but what's he doing when he's on the ground? His ground and pound is far from impressive, he has decent subs, but really nothing for Jones to worry about being a monster grappler himself.
All of this.
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