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Old 06-06-2014, 11:13 PM   #21 (permalink)
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First they put Stormin Norman on the card, now Brandao replacing boring ass Cole Miller? Started to get a bit gutted I didnt buy a ticket.
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Old 06-06-2014, 11:40 PM   #22 (permalink)
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Diego will probably look decent for a round, and then slow down and get beat on. Some people will then say McGregor is a top contender and a top 5 without actually beating a top 10 fighter yet. Notice I said some, so don't assume I'm talking about all of you who are a fan of his.
Korean Zombie is in the top five, he could easily be a top five guy with a win. I wouldn't rank him in the top five yet but I would rank him ahead of Guida(8) and Siver(7). The Division is wide open right now we don't know who the real top ten is for another year.
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Korean Zombie is in the top five, he could easily be a top five guy with a win. I wouldn't rank him in the top five yet but I would rank him ahead of Guida(8) and Siver(7). The Division is wide open right now we don't know who the real top ten is for another year.
Eh KZ really disappointed me of how scared he fought against aldo, really expected more from him and then him and his camp say the tide was turning when he started to do something ugh.
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Old 06-07-2014, 12:38 AM   #24 (permalink)
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Eh KZ really disappointed me of how scared he fought against aldo, really expected more from him and then him and his camp say the tide was turning when he started to do something ugh.
Zombie's right now in the UFC top five not my top five,


Champion : Jose Aldo
1 Chad Mendes
2 Frankie Edgar
3 Ricardo Lamas
4 Cub Swanson
5 Chan Sung Jung
6 Dustin Poirier
7 Dennis Siver
8 Clay Guida
9 Nik Lentz
10 Jeremy Stephens
11 Dennis Bermudez
12 Darren Elkins
13 Conor McGregor
14 Tatsuya Kawajiri
15 Diego Brandao


personally my rankings

Aldo (c), Edgar (1), Mendes (2)

That's the top three, I think Frankie is better than Chad we'll see after this next fight.

Lamas (3), Swanson (4), Stephens (5), Poirer (6)

Jeremy Stephens is way to low, a win over Swanson and he's likely going to get a title fight. Cub Swanson is good but he did barely get by Poirer and Siver I don't think he's a strong four.

Penn (7), McGregor (8), Zombie (9),

I would have a debuting BJ at 7, he is fighting Frankie and a win over Edgar puts him in the title mix, Zombie's been out of action for a long time which drops him to nine, I'd put Conor at #8, you've got a number of guys below him who are more accomplished but they've also had major losses and close decisions.

Lentz (10), Siver (11), Oliveira (12), Bermudez (13), Holloway (14), Elkins (15)


I would bump Guida, Kawajiri, and Brandao out of the rankings and replace them with Charles Olveira whose record isn't that great but he's better than Lentz and Elkins he just needs to get wins and momentum. I'd also put Max Holloway in the rankings I think he and Bermudez are basically at the same level and Brando is actually regressing.
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I'm a bit saddened that kawajiri got beaten by guida meaning he won't be doing any real damage at 145, would have liked to see him up there.
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A win here shouldn't put McGregor in the top 5, Brandao has regressed since winning TUF so a win over him doesn't earn someone much credit at the moment in my opinion. Wins over Brimage, Holloway, and potentially Brandao can get his name in the mix, but putting him in the top 5 sounds too easy. I see you've noted his place is because some guys who have accomplished more have had some setbacks, but I guess it depends on how we look at it. You've called it your personal rankings which is fair enough.

For me, a setback or slight inactivity doesn't hurt a guys ranking (in my personal rankings) depending on the level of competition they are facing. A guy being on a potential 3 fight winning streak in the UFC looks good on paper, but I call into question the level they were competing at.

Brimage, kinda green
Holloway, was coming off of a loss and was so so in his career at the time anyway.
Brandao (if McGregor wins), coming off of a big loss, hasn't done anything special so far in the UFC besides winning TUF.

If McGregor got into the top 5 after that streak, he just had the easiest road and it was just the most convenient time for him. I mean, I guess if he got his little win over Brandao and a guy ahead of him lost to another guy in the top 5 (which will be the case soon), it may put him ahead of that guy by default, but it was definitely just a very convenient moment for him, and he's only in the top 5 due to a technicality. I still wouldn't consider him that close to being a top contender and he would need a pretty big win to even be considered in my opinion.

I guess timing really is everything when you really think about the rankings.

I still personally keep Korean Zombie up there, he may be out at the moment, but right when he signs for a fight, his place in the division is relevant again to me. Might as well keep his ranking in my book. If his future was a big question mark, like say St. Pierre, then I would just remove his ranking completely. Although just lowering his ranking due to inactivity (which hasn't been too long). is unnecessary. I think he would have to be out for significantly longer for it to become an issue. Like I said though, just in my book. We all have our personal rankings. McGregor has also been just as inactive up until his upcoming fight.

But yeah, the UFC's top 10 is supposed to be official, at least more than yours and mine, and as you can see, McGregor hasn't beat a single guy in that top 10, which is the point I was making. He hasn't even beat a UFC top 15 yet. If someone says he's a proven top contender after this fight if he wins, it's definitely a misguided comment. He may prove to be eventually, but he still has a lot to prove, which he can do in a single fight if he gets a big step up next. I hope he does if he wins.
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It's easy to sell out what Conor's done, but beating and dominating Max Holloway on one leg and main eventing is enough to give him a generous ranking especially if you put any scrutiny on the guys in the top ten right now.

Korean Zombie - wins over Dustin Poirer, Mark Hominick (cut), Leonard Garcia (cut) loses to Jose Aldo, Leonard Garcia (cut), George Roop (left the division)

Dennis Siver - wins over Nam Phan (cut), Diego Nunes (cut), loses to Cub Swanson, NC to Manny Gamburyan (because he's on drugs)

Clay Guida - wins over Tatsua Kawajiri (very close), Hatsu Hioki (not on my score cards), and a loss to Chad Mendes (where he didn't even look like he belonged in the Octagon).

If Jose Aldo moves up to fight Anthony Pettis next year the championship fight is likely going to be between the winners of Edgar/Penn and Stephens/Swanson and after that fight your likely going to have Poirer/McGregor for the next shot.

If Conor walks through Brandao and finishes him in the first round could I rank him ahead of the loser of Stephens/Swanson, Poirer and maybe Lamas...yeah.

I want to leave you with this one thought, Conor McGregor is "hype" okay Erik Koch and Josh Grispi were going to get title shots and their wins streaks (Brookins, Assunção, Rivera) and (Micah Miller, Jens Pulver, and LC Davis)
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Koch and grispi were jokes of default contenders, conor isn't hype like they were I could see right through them
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Koch and grispi were jokes of default contenders, conor isn't hype like they were I could see right through them
I was never sold on Grispi, but I actually thought Koch was gonna be pretty solid. I was way off...
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Grispi was probably the definition of hype. His rise and fall was just legendary in terms of hype. Going from title talks to dropping 4 straight fights with his last loss coming to Andy Ogle is a true 180 in terms of where he was in his career.

I wasn't for those plans, and honestly though, that's why I'm more skeptical these days. You see a lot of guys come in and steamroll a few randoms, get a lot of hype from fans, but then get knocked down a peg and fall into mediocrity. Some fans never seem to learn either, but then again, it keeps things interesting. We all want a bandwagon to hop on too. I don't like seeing it effect rankings though like it has in the past, but that's entertainment for you.

McGregor's generous ranking will definitely be more because of the division being open like you put it, rather than because of his minimal accomplishments. Right place right time. If he steamrolls Brandao in the first round, it will look better, but from my first post, I was stating a potential scenario of Brandao looking good for a round, but then slowing down and getting beat up which wouldn't be a very impressive win for McGregor, but I'm sure some fans would still put him into title talks. If McGregor goes in there and steamrolls a fresh Brandao, that pretty much nullifies my first post anyway.

I haven't said McGregor will be a Grispi. He could very well be a legit top guy, but he is definitely hyped up at the moment. Not as much as they were, but he is hype to an extent. There is no way around it and it is not necessary a bad thing. It's to be expected. An Irish guy comes in and steamrolls his first opponent, then beats the next guy with a torn ACL. He's going to have hype behind him even without the ACL part. He's more hype than proven at the moment because he hasn't fought a single guy in the top 15 yet and some people are talking about him as if he's already a proven top contender. Definitely has a nice cloud of hype surrounding him. I'm just a lot more careful about boarding hype trains considering too many have been derailed.

Despite the UFC rankings having its flaws, it is the official rankings. If he goes in there and takes Brandao out, I wonder where he will officially be placed. I still wouldn't put him in the top 5 personally because I find him too green, but I wouldn't complain as long as he gets a huge step up in competition immediately. No sense in bringing him along slowly if he is already considered to be in the top 5-10 range. Probably why him potentially being ranked high leaves a bitter taste in my mouth. I'd like to see him beat somebody of strong note. Once he succeeds, I'll stop nitpicking.
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