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post #21 of 38 (permalink) Old 06-07-2014, 07:49 PM
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It is currently well within the rules, so it is in no way cheating. Kind of off the mark on this one Joe.
It may well be within the rules- but anyone who purposefully works to cut 30+ to lbs for the weigh in alone and knows they will be right back up in weight the night of the fight is obviously using it as an advantage and knows somewhere in his head that he doesn't have the same advantage w/o the weight.

If you can't fight your opponent at the same weight the night of the fight- it seems pretty close to a cheat to me.
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post #22 of 38 (permalink) Old 06-08-2014, 12:11 AM
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No one above 5ft 3 or 4 who is in the right shape for fighting should weigh anywhere near 125lbs... Guys who are 5'8+ making that weight are playing with fire.

I reckon all fighters should have 2 surprise weigh ins both between 2-6 weeks out from the fight where they have to be within 20lbs of their fighting Weight.

I like this idea, and also like to see fighters weigh in on the day of the fight, giving no time to rehydrate. I believe 20 lbs is way too much variance however, that will bring us back to square one where a 190lbs guy fights at 170. I think a percentage allowance of total weight makes more sense. let say 5% weight differential, 170 fighter can fluctuate approximately 8.5 lbs, and a 205lb fighter can fluctuate 10.5 lbs. Two surprise weigh-ins like you posted, 2-6 weeks leading up to the fight, and the fighter still has to weigh in at a maximum of the limit of weight class.
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It is really easy. Have weight ins same day as fight.
Have a penalty system.

- If you fail and are 1-2 pounds above the limit you pay half your purse+bonus+ppv to opponent.
- If you fail and are more than 2 pounds above the limit there is no fight and you have to pay a fine to the UFC.
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I agree with Joe. Well, it's not cheating because it's in the rules, but I think it is foul play and should be looked down upon. Maybe not against the rules, but certainly people should get flak for it.
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So, what's my weight class?
I naturally float around 185 and 210 just by having different eating and exercises...
It's too subjective.
I agree with Rogan that it's not healthy, but it's not like it is an exact science.

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It isn't cheating but it is definitely exploiting the rules.


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It is currently well within the rules, so it is in no way cheating. Kind of off the mark on this one Joe.
Not really. He can feel that it's a form of cheating regardless of what the commissions have to say about it.

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So, what's my weight class?
I naturally float around 185 and 210 just by having different eating and exercises...
It's too subjective.
I agree with Rogan that it's not healthy, but it's not like it is an exact science.
I think it's pretty clear that he's talking about extreme weight loss through intentional starvation and dehydration, not eating healthy and exercising regularly.

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The rules and guidelines were set and are sanctioned... the fighters are within the parameters.

So this is in no way cheating. It puts certain fighters at a disadvantage who are unable to shed a lot of weight or are uncomfortable fighing too far outside of their natural weight class... a disadvantage.

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Joe's tripping, cutting weight isn't cheating or anything close to it. The playing field is set at even at the weigh ins as the rules currently mandate.

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It is cheating. Yes its within the rules and whatever other bureaucracy applies. But any fighter weight cutting big weight is doing it because they want to be bigger then their opponent. And as Joe says, in the context of true martial arts, its cheating. You are trying to cheat. I dont care if its not in a handbook.

Then you get guys, who choose not to cut and are effectively being punished for it. Edgar at LW and Machida at LHW spring to mind. Both forced to cut down because they have compete against the cheating monsters that occupy their divisions.

Great info regards Alves. Hes actually managed to get down to a sustainable 170. That's very impressive.
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