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Old 06-09-2014, 12:59 PM   #31 (permalink)
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It's not cheatting ( for now ) sure it puts you in an advantage but ita definitely natural so..
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Old 06-09-2014, 01:12 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Adjusting your body weight to compete in a specific division is just as much cheating as learing to use knees in a plum clinch or belting in BJJ.

It's a part of body and discipline. It's mixed martial arts. Using your body as a weapon. It is not cheating at all IMO.
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Old 06-09-2014, 02:41 PM   #33 (permalink)
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I agree with Joe. Well, it's not cheating because it's in the rules, but I think it is foul play and should be looked down upon. Maybe not against the rules, but certainly people should get flak for it.
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It is cheating. Yes its within the rules and whatever other bureaucracy applies. But any fighter weight cutting big weight is doing it because they want to be bigger then their opponent. And as Joe says, in the context of true martial arts, its cheating. You are trying to cheat. I dont care if its not in a handbook.

Then you get guys, who choose not to cut and are effectively being punished for it. Edgar at LW and Machida at LHW spring to mind. Both forced to cut down because they have compete against the cheating monsters that occupy their divisions.
I'm somewhere between these views. Whether it's "actual cheating" or not is largely a semantic conversation*; the point is that I think it's cheap & sketchy, IMO. I've never ever liked it.

* reminds me of TRT before it was deemed illegal, but much less of a controversy.
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Old 06-09-2014, 03:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Adjusting your body weight to compete in a specific division is just as much cheating as learing to use knees in a plum clinch or belting in BJJ.

It's a part of body and discipline. It's mixed martial arts. Using your body as a weapon. It is not cheating at all IMO.
Cutting 20-30lbs of water weight is just as if not more dangerous than the 12-6 elbow or a fish hook or a punch to the groin.

The first fighter to die in the UFC will be from weight cutting.
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Cutting 20-30lbs of water weight is just as if not more dangerous than the 12-6 elbow or a fish hook or a punch to the groin.

The first fighter to die in the UFC will be from weight cutting.
Arm bars, knee locks, heel hooks, kimuras will break your bones.

Punches and knees break orbital sockets, jaws and noses and cut fighters leaving them permanently disfigured.

This is a hand to hand combat sport. It gets real like that.

As a matter of fact the first fighter I have seen die in MMA died in Africa this year as a matter of fact.

He died because he was mounted and took too many elbows...

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Old 06-09-2014, 06:08 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Arm bars, knee locks, heel hooks, kimuras will break your bones.

Punches and knees break orbital sockets, jaws and noses and cut fighters leaving them permanently disfigured.

This is a hand to hand combat sport. It gets real like that.

As a matter of fact the first fighter I have seen die in MMA died in Africa this year as a matter of fact.

He died because he was mounted and took too many elbows...

Source -----> http://www.nydailynews.com/news/worl...icle-1.1712659
That article also mentions a Brazilian fighter who died earlier from organ stress due to weight cutting.

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Old 06-09-2014, 06:25 PM   #37 (permalink)
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Yeah I think that guy due to Second-Impact syndrome, and that's a minor league problem fighters have.

The problem with weight cutting is we've seen a number of guys with heart conditions in MMA it is only a matter of time before the little guys and women who make those serious cuts end up dying.
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Arm bars, knee locks, heel hooks, kimuras will break your bones.

Punches and knees break orbital sockets, jaws and noses and cut fighters leaving them permanently disfigured.
All of which is an accepted consequence if you choose to get in the cage and fight. But ending up in there with a dude who weighed the same as you one day before, but now is 20lbs heavier?

Training my technique hard in order to hurt my opponent hard is an honourable way to gain advantage. Trying my best to outweigh all my possible opponents somehow doesn't quite feel the same. Its cowardly.
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