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Old 06-16-2014, 09:20 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Tournaments need to return

Watching the UFC cards in the last few weeks I think the UFC need the tournament style of matchmaking to return desperately.

Let me elaborate! This year we've had Mighty Mouse, Aldo and Jones defend their titles and all 3 have been greeted with the same 2 responses from fans... 1) 'we want the champ to rematch someone' and 2) 'we want the champ to challenge in a different division.'

Both of these responses show that the fans don't believe there to be legit challenges for the champs or that they've 'cleared out the div.'
While this is a fair enough opinion I reckon it is completely the UFCs fault that people think like that. The way they've been matchmaking have just developed bottleneck after bottleneck at the top of the divisions and have buried some legit contenders.

The UFC need to be the ones making people believe there is always a threat to the title and they can't do that by making a 5 minute hype video and getting Joe Rogan to build guys up.
They have to do it by getting guys constantly on win streaks over top opponents and the only way is the tournament style.

It also ensures the champs fight 3 times + a year keeping the divisions from going stale.

I'd love to see at least a tiny bit of the bellator fight schedule implemented in the UFC who is with me!?!
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Tournaments wouldn't help. Cain gets injured every 20 seconds. Other champions get hurt too. And UFC does the TUF garbage on delaying fights. Also with tournaments, injuries can mess them up too.

Actual established #1 contender fights are the way to go. Not like "if XYZ fighter wins, he probably gets a title shot" or "whoever fights most impressively gets a title shot", etc. Like if they actual billed Rory vs Woodley as a full #1 contender's fight, that would have been good.
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Problem is the champs sometimes want new challenges while the fans know there greatest challenges lie against guys they have already fought. If your the champ and you have beaten the top 6 or 7 in your division then there is a pretty good chance that you have already fought the second best and #13 or 14 isn't gonna be the guy to beat your especially when they are not a rising star but just a guy that alternates wins and losses. Part of the issue IMO is this need the UFC has to have title eliminators and clear cut contenders. Quit having your prospects knock each other off, stop, no. Look at the HW division they had two legit challengers ready to go in Travis Browne and Fabricio Werdum, possibly the last two legit threats to Cain in the division to. So what does the UFC do, square them off. Well raise your hand if you think Browne has a shot against Cain now? How many would have been interested in it before Werdum put on a clinic against him?
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The only man that would be up for a tournament is Chael, and Chael's done so its never gona happen.

What would be interesting is a TRT tourney for all those guys that were on it. Mir vs Hendo would be great fun!

EDIT: Oops thought you meant 1 night tournaments!
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Strikeforce tried and I think a combination of today's fighter and rash of injury pull-outs would make it all but impossible. Look at DC, while I have no doubts the tournament would have went the same even he was a replacement. How great would it be for in the semi-finals we have some no-name replacement win and end up with a title shot? The answer is it would probably not be great at all.

But to my main point, today's fighter. While it is good that fighters are now starting to ask for their "brand" (which is their image) to be respected, how much would it suck in a tournament format? Lets ask Overeem, he clearly didn't give a sh*t and just dropped out. There would be fighters as they start making it into later rounds of the tournament that might think it is the perfect time to renegotiate their contract. Or what about fighters who contracts actually do happen to run out during the tournament?

Injury prone fighters/champs is a big deal as well. Cruz finally had to be stripped, Pettis has yet to defend his title, WW division was basically a standstill while GSP fixed his knee, and Cain has to keep delaying his fights. That is just the champions! UFC cards right now change so often I think we should now be able to bet on which fights actually happen on a card on vbookie.

Tournaments are an EXCELLENT idea, but in application they would be more trouble than they are worth.
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Regardless, I think a healthy champion should fight every 3 months, no matter what. The challenger would be preferably the best ranked fighter. If he is hurt, gets automatically bypassed by the next one. It doesn't matter if goes down to someone who is deemed to be a can or wouldn't have a chance. Champions are to be seen fighting and if their opponents are "too weak" we want to see spectacular performances, crazy antics and mind blowing finishes matching the paper disparity.
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The UFC doesn't do tournaments for several reasons.

1. It weakens their TUF brand.
2. It means they might have to actually pay the winner a reasonable contract that they don't have control over.
3. Injuries are so prevalent it's impossible to get 8/16/32 guys to do a tournament without alternates.
4. They give up matchmaking control and the UFC LOVES matchmaking control.

With that said every year they really should hold a Grand Prix rotate it between the weight classes because it's how you build stars and improve fighters. You look at the Strikeforce tournament of those 8 guys that fought in it, 7 became better fighters and that was even with an alternate winning.
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The biggest problem with tourneys is pre Zuffa UFC did them, Pride did them, Bellator does them right now. That is why the 125 f man tourney is the last we'll see under this regime.
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Regardless, I think a healthy champion should fight every 3 months, no matter what. The challenger would be preferably the best ranked fighter. If he is hurt, gets automatically bypassed by the next one. It doesn't matter if goes down to someone who is deemed to be a can or wouldn't have a chance. Champions are to be seen fighting and if their opponents are "too weak" we want to see spectacular performances, crazy antics and mind blowing finishes matching the paper disparity.
I would sort of agree with something like that, but the "healthy champion" part is too loose. How could you demand someone like Mighty Mouse defend the belt 4 times a year, when Cain does like 1 at best? And guys could say they want time off to heal a lingering issue, etc. But I think a lot of it comes down to injuries it seems like. But I do wish there were more title fights...it seems like UFC is trying to make it up in quantity with having like zillions of titles now to make it seem like there is a title fight almost every month, when the general public doesn't care much about half of them.
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I would sort of agree with something like that, but the "healthy champion" part is too loose. How could you demand someone like Mighty Mouse defend the belt 4 times a year, when Cain does like 1 at best? And guys could say they want time off to heal a lingering issue, etc. But I think a lot of it comes down to injuries it seems like. But I do wish there were more title fights...it seems like UFC is trying to make it up in quantity with having like zillions of titles now to make it seem like there is a title fight almost every month, when the general public doesn't care much about half of them.
Give them some room to postpone fights for actual health issues fully detailed and periodically reported to the commission to a painful extent it would make them bored to death to think about faking an injury or extend a "healing" process. After a certain amount of layoff, Interim Championship, a little more, give away the belt. Oh, if I was on top of things... No more prima donnas, I can guarantee that.

Edit: there's more. Might Mouse should fight 4 times and be paid more for this reason. No more paying enormous salaries to Champions to stay home. Honest salaries to all and PPV returns proportional to each one draw. Easy.
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