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Old 07-23-2014, 05:32 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I had my doubts about Weidman after the Silva fights because let's be real, Silva lost the 1st fight as much as Weidman won it. The 2nd one was a great showing from Chris' part until a freak accident ended the fight but after Machida, i was sold on him. Don't see anyone giving him too much of a trouble for some time.
He really didnt lose that fight as much as Weidman was winning it.

Hr perhaps let himself get KOd badly as much as Weidmsn KOd him badly. But weidman was winning about every second of tjat fight anf wasnt afraid to strike and wasnt getting hit. So how did Anderson lose it as much as Weidman lost it?
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...All doubts about Weidman have been silenced after he beat Machida. Vitor has faster hands and more power than Lyoto but I think the outcome will be the same. Weidman will stay in control of the fight. Chris has fearless stand up matching his takedown intensity. Weidman by another convincing UD...
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This I can easily agree with.

This is your trade mark condescending bullshit approach to deliver your opinion as it would stand several layers above the others.
If you really believe Vitor comes at you like Anderson did against Weidman 1 or like Machida does against anybody, I can understand why you believe Weidman's strategy of standing and banging with him would be as natural as any other.
I never said Vitor wasnt dangerous early. Or the same as Anderson and Machida.

I said its hilarious to call a guy arrogant if he stands with Vitor when he stood with elite strikers and bettered them. As if Weidman has no place striking with Belfort.

Why dont you read more carefully. Try to comprehend.....THEN post?
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Old 07-23-2014, 06:53 PM   #24 (permalink)
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Weidman takes it by vitor not making it to the fight
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Weidman takes it by vitor not making it to the fight
IDK if people remember but before TRT Vitor was a head case..... he got mentally psyched out before the fights and didn't perform as well because of it.. they used to talk about that a lot.. TRT took care of that. I wonder how he's gonna fair agaist that now..
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Please, don't think I am picking on you, man, but how Machida is a far more dangerous opponent than Vitor Belfort? Machida looks better at MW, no doubt, but Machida is known for his snoozy technical approaches to fights that led to so many boring decisions losing or winning, while Vitor is a deadly finisher. Since coming back to UFC, Vitor finished all his fights and only lost to the two very best in the world in title fights, one of them, short noticed and with a busted hand, while Machida had to move to MW to reinvent himself (and avoid being cut) after the Dan Henderson and Phil Davis fiascos and only finished Munoz at 185.

Vitor is a Killer. Machida, not so much, so Vitor is more dangerous than Machida by a great margin, IMO.

PS: I will accept TRT absence as a valid explanation, though.
Why would I think you are picking on me?

Because he's a better technical striker, because he has far superior wrestling, superior grappling, far superior take down defense, great proven cardio and a lot of experience/luck (not luck, but knows how to stop the TD, even take down the wrestlers themselves) fighting guys with a solid wrestling base. Except for power, Machida is the superior fighter in every aspect of the game. All Weidman has to do to beat Vitor his toss him on his back at will and pound him out. When fighting Machida that option was a lot less viable, and striking with Machida is a nightmare for most people.

This will be an easy win for Weidman TRT or no TRT, he isn't going to stop the TD and he's going to get beat up until he gets knocked out.
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Old 07-23-2014, 08:48 PM   #27 (permalink)
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Old 07-23-2014, 11:26 PM   #28 (permalink)
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Perhaps if you could comprehend posts it wouldnt be a puzzle.

I found it hilarious that you call a guy who stood with 2 of the best strikers out there without fear and beat them...ARROGANT if he thinks about standing with Vitor. To call Weidman who is a top notch striker arrogant if he stands is foolish to me.

I never said Belforts style was the same as Anderson ot Machida's. What does it matter? Why would Weidman (a high level striker) be arrogant to stand?

There is no puzzle.

You just refuse to give Weidman an ounce of respect in terms of striking.

Here is a timeline of your opinions:

1. Anderson was fooling around that didnt count!

2. Anderson was fluke injured nothing before that leg snap counts!

3. Weidman isnt the striker Machida is! Foolish to say hr is in the same class!

4. Belfort is explosive. Weidman would be arrogant to try and stand!

Saying Weidman should stay outside and be careful jumping on legs. Lol. Weidman has had huge success in close. Going forward. So you think he should stay outside. Hahahahaha. Weidman is great in close. Great in the clinch. Great defense in the pocket.
I'd say you burned him.. it's just you didn't. He actually never said any of those things.
I said the third one but That's irrelevant
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Old 07-24-2014, 01:42 AM   #29 (permalink)
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I agree with all this, but maybe I was considering the "dangerous" aspect more like having the capability of finishing the fight violently fast. I also think Weidman should win if he doesn't fight recklessly. I just think the speed, volume and power Vitor will bring could end the fight in the first round, something Machida hardly brings.
Vitor certainly has a stronger 1st round in him. However, the way I see it so long as Weidman can use his excellent timing/distance to avoid his strikes much like Anderson did, I honestly don't see Weidman struggling with Vitor on the feet. Outside of that, Machida is a far more dangerous opponent in the sense that he is more skilled, has more ways to win and just in general has a much higher chance of getting a win over Weidman.

Let's just say, I was 50/50 on Weidman vs. Machida. I knew Weidman had great striking/timing because he showed it against Anderson, but Machida is also great at it and has the TDD to at the very least stop a few of his takedowns. Where as this fight I'm about 70/30, maybe even 80/20 if Weidman sticks to the gameplan of pushing the takedowns and GnP.

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Keep talking big guy.
You really do like twisting word and shit, So you can be considered tough ? Or are you just mental?

Anyways just because a guy tells you that vitor is a better striker doesn't mean that weidman isn't well rounded.
Weidman has and advantage over belfort and that'd wrestling. So he should play into that.

You know in the real world fighters fight with game plans.
The question is, why would you not think Weidman has an advantage over Vitor in the striking department? What high level strikers has Vitor beat recently? Has Vitor ever beat anyone with the striking ability of Anderson or Machida? In fact he got his face kicked in against Anderon in the first round and got beat up on the feet against Jones. He's got power, but that doesn't mean much if he's getting beat up and outclassed by a superior striker.

Don't get me wrong, Weidman should certainly get the easy TD and GnP him out, on paper that's the easiest way. Who knows, though? Maybe Weidman sees a hole in Vitor's striking and will plan to exploit it and put him away, he can most certainly do it. We will all just have to wait and see.
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Old 07-24-2014, 02:05 AM   #30 (permalink)
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Let's give vitor some credit. He's a beast and he beat some of the top guys in the sport. Guys like wanderlei,Randy, Henderson. Rumble,Franklin, bisping,rochold.
He went to distance with guys like lidell and overeem.

Now No doubt weidman is a good striker. But he's not winning fights just because of striking . I'm sure guys who worship weidman miss the fact that he's not always standing. It'stheir fight plan. To score a takedown every round. That's how he's winning and breaking world class fighters .
Sure weidman can stand with vitor but why give vitor that chance?
Also let's not forget belfort is amazing on the mat too.

This should be another crazy weidman fight
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