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MMA1990 08-26-2006 06:59 PM

Having Heart
 
It seems when ever anyone is defending there favorite fighter they say "he's got a lot of heart" big deal when a fighter in the octagon is said to have heart it's always when there getting dominated. Examples:Ken Shamrock, Josh Haynes, and Luke Cummo( not as much Cummo). Big deal if your hanging in there unless your Mike Stines or some extremly crappy other fighter than you beter not quit. The phrase " Hes got heart!" translates to "he's getting completly dominated and there no real compliment to give him." These guys dont have heart there just proffesinals(barley) and no professinal MMA fighter just quits a fight. This is just my view and im woundering if anyone agrees with me.

Kameleon 08-26-2006 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by MMA1990
It seems when ever anyone is defending there favorite fighter they say "he's got a lot of heart" big deal when a fighter in the octagon is said to have heart it's always when there getting dominated. Examples:Ken Shamrock, Josh Haynes, and Luke Cummo( not as much Cummo). Big deal if your hanging in there unless your Mike Stines or some extremly crappy other fighter than you beter not quit. The phrase " Hes got heart!" translates to "he's getting completly dominated and there no real compliment to give him." These guys dont have heart there just proffesinals(barley) and no professinal MMA fighter just quits a fight. This is just my view and im woundering if anyone agrees with me.

I've saw Hidehiko Yoshida yell "Ippon" which translates to "I quit" after taking a dozen or so kicks to the leg from Mirko CroCop. To me when a fighter taps thats almost like quiting.

kyle1 08-26-2006 09:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Kameleon
I've saw Hidehiko Yoshida yell "Ippon" which translates to "I quit" after taking a dozen or so kicks to the leg from Mirko CroCop. To me when a fighter taps thats almost like quiting.

No offense... but I am an emt and WHY on earth would you risk PERMANENT injury and not tap out? Some people are just SO alpha male its retarded.:thumbsdown:

I am sure professional fighters know when its time to throw in the towel and have a chance to fight again.

CTFlyingKnee 08-26-2006 10:03 PM

having heart and having a brain are two complete opposites. If someone thinks that a person has heart cuz they wont tap out, then they are just as big of an idiot as the guy who would rather get his leg snapped in 45 different places then tap out

WouldLuv2FightU 08-26-2006 10:59 PM

I've see pussies in MMA all the time whatchu talkin bout willis? A lot of people give up in fights, they may not throw in the towel but they stop trying. It happens at least once every PPV. You don't have to actually leave the ring or octagon in order to give up. And a lot of people use the terminator method to cope with their pain and such. When you see a fighter come right back at you after getting rocked it doesn't usually mean they want more, it's just instinct really. Also another example of a professional MMA fighter giving up during a fight is Jeremy Horn when he faught Chuck the second time. He straight up said "I'm done". I don't think every instance of coming back after getting rocked is a show of heart. I think you can tell while you watch it whether it's heart and determination or just their own way of coping with the pain of getting rocked and trying to get an audience reaction to boost their confidence AND to freak his opponent out a little.

WouldLuv2FightU 08-26-2006 11:08 PM

Oh, and a great example of someone who uses the "terminator" method is Forrest Griffin. If you'll notice he always hits himself in the forehead after an exchange and continues to push forward and hit his head. I'm sure he's not thinking about that when he's doing it, it's just something instinctive and a twitch. You know it's instinctive because he's twitching. Or then again I guess it could be him saying "**** it, **** it **** it I don't care ouch **** it ouch **** it!":dunno: I'm finding it very difficult to put into words how I feel about this topic, so sorry if you guys are like "what the hell is this dude talking about?" . To me there are 2 different kinds of "heart". One is the kind where people are determined to win no matter what the consequences. Royce showed a lot of heart against Matt Hughes with that arm bar but then later gave up by no longer defending himself, but that's ok he was overwhelmed lol. The other kind of heart you see is the kind that is just a facade to mask pain or to freak your opponent out. Does this make sense to anyone?


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