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post #21 of 67 (permalink) Old 09-24-2006, 02:27 AM
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It doesn't matter if Penn "dominated" Hughes for most of the fight -- in the end it doesn't matter, if a fighter CAN'T FINISH IT. Matt Hughes did.

I like Penn and I think Hughes is a great champion, but Penn didn't finish it. Penn did not outlast Hughes' physical strength and capability. Penn could not outrun the champion. Penn could not outlast the champion.

So Penn lost. And Hughes holds on to the belt. And rightly so.

Hughes is the better fighter because he has more capability; fighter capability.
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post #22 of 67 (permalink) Old 09-24-2006, 02:29 AM
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i live in albuquerque (home town of dirty sanchez) i would like to see him get a chance with one of the big three so they can kick his cocky a@#, he is such an arogant P.O.S. he use to live down the block from me
Are you talking about Sanchez?
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yes (diego sanchez)
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I agree that Diego seems like he's a bit arrogant, because he's made comments such as "I think I am the best [170 lbs.] fighter in the world", when there is Hughes, a proven fighter.

But Diego has the laundry list of fights to back it, last being Parisian, a fellow North Hollywood citizen.

We also have to understand that fighters (and this is echoed by many fighters, including Matt Serra from TUF 4) need to have a strong mental state... any hesitation and you will be beat. No matter how much technical skill or physical capability -- if you don't really believe you can beat your opponent, you will be beat. Especially at the level that they fight.

Dont' you agree?

This means that sometimes these guys will sound very much like on the arrogant side.
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post #25 of 67 (permalink) Old 09-24-2006, 02:40 AM
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man, penn has all the talent in the world to be the GOAT (greatest of all time, or as dana would say "times" lol) and yet he cant work on something as simple as conditioning for a 5 round fight...even though matt won the fight, i still would take BJ in the rematch just because he is the better fighter...dont want to take anything away from matt and his win, he deserved it, but in a lot of people's eyes (mine included), BJ is the more talented fighter...
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That might be true -- BJ could be the better skilled fighter in terms of technical fighting. But when it came down to it, the better fighter was Hughes, because he has the better fighting capability.

All the technique didn't help BJ, because he just wasn't in "fighter" condition -- the only condition that matters in competitions...
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For all those people that keep saying Hughes got lucky - if only BJ's cardio blah blah blah. Why not acknowledge that Hughes survived multiple sub attempts by supposedly one of the best in the LW and WW divisions. On one hand if BJ is so great at subs, why couldn't he finish Matt (BEFORE) he got so winded when he had the MULTIPLE chances. Because being the champion that Hughes is he weathered them better than about 99% of all other fighters that would have been in the exact same position. On the other hand why not give Hughes some major credit for making it through BJ's subs without tapping or being choked or KO'd. Now after that he deserves credit for his cardio. What kind of lame excuse is that to say a fighter was dominating but if only his cardio was better he might have won. That's like saying if only Jens Pulver's chin would have not got hit he would not have been knocked out. CARDIO is part of training to be a champion, and more importantly BEATING a champion. SHame on BJ Penn for not being in better shape to go the distance or at least get a decision victory. That's why Matt is the champion, he goes that extra mile for every possible advantage to win, even if it's outlasting an opponent by shear cardio training, THEN pounding them into the ground. Hughes WAS in trouble in that fight --for sure and could have lost - but he survived and won, like champions often do. WAR HUGHES!!!!
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Hughes vs Penn

For all those people that keep saying Hughes got lucky - if only BJ's cardio blah blah blah. Why not acknowledge that Hughes survived multiple sub attempts by supposedly one of the best in the LW and WW divisions. On one hand if BJ is so great at subs, why couldn't he finish Matt (BEFORE) he got so winded when he had the MULTIPLE chances. Because being the champion that Hughes is he weathered them better than about 99% of all other fighters that would have been in the exact same position. On the other hand why not give Hughes some major credit for making it through BJ's subs without tapping or being choked or KO'd. Now after that he deserves credit for his cardio. What kind of lame excuse is that to say a fighter was dominating but if only his cardio was better he might have won. That's like saying if only Jens Pulver's chin would have not got hit he would not have been knocked out. CARDIO is part of training to be a champion, and more importantly BEATING a champion. SHame on BJ Penn for not being in better shape to go the distance or at least get a decision victory. That's why Matt is the champion, he goes that extra mile for every possible advantage to win, even if it's outlasting an opponent by shear cardio training, THEN pounding them into the ground. Hughes WAS in trouble in that fight --for sure and could have lost - but he survived and won, like champions often do. WAR HUGHES!!!!
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post #29 of 67 (permalink) Old 09-24-2006, 02:51 AM
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Well said Drake.

What makes a champion is covering all your basis, knowing how to pull out of trouble, knowing how to outlast your opponent. Having the courage to not give up.

We are all comfortably responding from the comfort of our computer stations. These guys were actually taking the hit. Let's give the winners the respect they deserve.
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Thanks Tommy.
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