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The standing 8 count...

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#1 · (Edited)
I have an ongoing argument with arguing with boxing purists regarding one of their many "issues" with MMA. They claim that due to the longevity of boxing it has evolved and developed to minimize the kind of fluke upsets that are so frequent in our beloved sport. They claim that the standing 8 count allows fights to be more of a war of attrition and skill which, in most cases, results in the more talented superior fighter winning. They often list off dozens of classic fights that would have ended differently if boxing didn't have a standing 8 count.

I'm on the fence with this. I would love to see the more deserving fighter, the more talented fighter with his hand raised at the end of the match but how could a standing 8 count work in MMA? Is there any other rule that you can think of that would help reduce these upsets that ultimately are bad for the sport? Do you think it's just fine the way it is?

Your thoughts?

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#28 ·
Super Fudge said:
Let me hit you in the face with a 4oz glove and then with a 10oz glove and see if you feel a difference.

Dont be dumb.
simmer down there sailor

i never said they wouldnt feel a difference....i simply stated there main purpose is to maintain the fighters hand....sure theres a difference between a ufc regulation glove and a boxing glove....but boxers also get hit alot more then an mma fighter....well at least generally....regardless of which glove you wear in an organization....you will still suffer a knock out
 
#30 ·
Super Fudge said:
I said I agree and that I wouldn't want to see it eliminated...just that less of it wouldn't hurt.
Well go watch K-1 or Muay Thai then because would I like less grappling from the less talented grapplers yes but less grappling would be horrible in fact I hate fights for the most part that don't go to the ground at all one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of the LW divison since most of the fights seem to stay standing the whole time. So just watch LW fights/Forrest Griffen fights.
 
#31 ·
bbjd7 said:
Well go watch K-1 or Muay Thai then because would I like less grappling from the less talented grapplers yes but less grappling would be horrible in fact I hate fights for the most part that don't go to the ground at all one of the reasons I'm not a big fan of the LW divison since most of the fights seem to stay standing the whole time. So just watch LW fights/Forrest Griffen fights.
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#32 ·
How would a standing 8 count work?

Well, a fighter gets knocked down and doesn't appear capable of defending himself when his opponent jumps on him. the fight is stopped the stunned fighter gets his standing 8 and then the fight resumes on the ground in the position it was stopped in. There is a 3 standing 8 counts per round rule and it only applies when the blows are delivered while both fighters are on their feet.

Simple, effective...no more cans getting lucky.

















I expect a call from Dana White offering me a job at any moment.
 
#33 ·
Super Fudge said:
How would a standing 8 count work?

Well, a fighter gets knocked down and doesn't appear capable of defending himself when his opponent jumps on him. the fight is stopped the stunned fighter gets his standing 8 and then the fight resumes on the ground in the position it was stopped in. There is a 3 standing 8 counts per round rule and it only applies when the blows are delivered while both fighters are on their feet.

Simple, effective...no more cans getting lucky.

I expect a call from Dana White offering me a job at any moment.
Most horrible idea ever. And there really is no luck involved.
 
#37 ·
Super Fudge said:
Why is it such a "horrible" idea?

Please explain yourselves.
First off, without Boxing gloves, fighters would get seriously injured. Also it would take away from the atmosphere of a "real" fight. If you get KTFO, you get KTFO, end of story. These a 4OZ gloves we are talking about here, if your knocked out, you're pretty much staying out. They would completely obliterate the sport of MMA with the 8 count rule.
 
#38 ·
Super Fudge said:
How would a standing 8 count work?

Well, a fighter gets knocked down and doesn't appear capable of defending himself when his opponent jumps on him. the fight is stopped the stunned fighter gets his standing 8 and then the fight resumes on the ground in the position it was stopped in. There is a 3 standing 8 counts per round rule and it only applies when the blows are delivered while both fighters are on their feet.

Simple, effective...no more cans getting lucky.

I expect a call from Dana White offering me a job at any moment.
One When a fighter is rocked the other fight very often goes in and goes for a submission so that would take away the other fighters chance to tap him. Stunning a fighter in stand up can often lead to a fighter taking strong position on the ground that whole part of the fight would be eliminated. Also while the fighter got his standing 8 count he would be able to recover which is retarted. you relize that this idea is possibly the dumbest thing I've ever heard what is wrong with the system now if you get caught and fail to defend yourself you lose sounds perfectly resonable to me. Maybe if GSP was ready to fight he wouldn't have lost.
 
#40 ·
+Shogun+ said:
First off, without Boxing gloves, fighters would get seriously injured. Also it would take away from the atmosphere of a "real" fight. If you get KTFO, you get KTFO, end of story. These a 4OZ gloves we are talking about here, if your knocked out, you're pretty much staying out. They would completely obliterate the sport of MMA with the 8 count rule.

Really? Because the referee, the cage, the rules, etc...those all take away from the atmosphere of a real fight. If you want to to watch "real fights" go on youtube. If you want to see highly skilled athletes compete then make rules that allow for the most talented to succeed.

I'm sorry if MMA isn't the "tough man" competition you want it to be. I'm sorry it's sanctioned sport and that you don't like that but it's reality so live with it.
 
#42 ·
Super Fudge said:
Really? Because the referee, the cage, the rules, etc...those all take away from the atmosphere of a real fight. If you want to to watch "real fights" go on youtube. If you want to see highly skilled athletes compete then make rules that allow for the most talented to succeed.

I'm sorry if MMA isn't the "tough man" competition you want it to be. I'm sorry it's sanctioned sport and that you don't like that but it's reality so live with it.
If you don't understand what I meant by "real" fight, your just as retarded as all your posts suggest. Its as real as it can be, and thats the objective. To pit two skilled mixed martial artists against each other. If I were you I would just give up on trying to argue your point(s), because they aren't valid and they make no sense. This is MMA, not Boxing.
 
#43 ·
+Shogun+ said:
your just as retarded as all your posts suggest...
ATTENTION MODS:

PEROSNAL ATTACK HERE. VIOLATION OF THE FORUM RULES. TIME TO DO YOUR JOB AND ISUUE A WARNING.

To someone other than me for a change.

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#44 ·
Super Fudge said:
I think you've been hit in the head too many times...or perhaps dropped on it as an infant.

The fighter having the opportunity to recover is the whole point of the standing 8 count you dipshit.
Wow so the fighter gets to recover and basically take away some of the damage the other fighter did it is a dumb concept to give the fighter who is getting his ass whooped a breather.
 
#48 ·
Super Fudge said:
Well it's sure worked well for boxing...a sport that's been around for centuries.
Yea and no standing 8 count has worked well for MMA. Lets say a guy takes a good shot stumbles to his knees and turns his back. To do a standing 8 count and take away the fighters chance to sink in a RNC is just a bad idea.
 
#50 ·
Super Fudge said:
Really? Because the referee, the cage, the rules, etc...those all take away from the atmosphere of a real fight. If you want to to watch "real fights" go on youtube. If you want to see highly skilled athletes compete then make rules that allow for the most talented to succeed.

I'm sorry if MMA isn't the "tough man" competition you want it to be. I'm sorry it's sanctioned sport and that you don't like that but it's reality so live with it.
That's more your reality than anything else. MMA would loose about 90% of why it's popular why that horrible idea you just described.

UFC rules already puts the focus on striking with it's rules. 5 minutes rounds and quick stand up if there is any kind of stall already prevents grapplers from dominating.

Now you want to prevent strikers from finishing their opponent? what the hell is this? Like i said, if you cant handle watching a guy get pounded, go watch K-1.

I am really sick and tired of new people watching MMA and asking for rules changes. It's because of people like you that MMA is reduced to what it is now and that knees to the head and soccer kicks are never going to be allowed, despite having never injured anybody more than other strikes.

And if that 8 count idea is only to prevent upsets, then it's completly retared. In all the "upsets", there was no such things as "lucky" shots that would of been prevented by an 8 count. Ask Cro Cop if he would of been able to continue after an 8 count.

Besides, the dynamic of a boxing and MMA fight is so much more different, the 8 count simply does not apply, esp not the way you described it.

A fighter knocked down gets guard? Thats ridiculous, guard is not such a disadvantage, esp if you are a decent grappler.

I really hope everybody disagrees with you, because i was already pissed off at the current rules, and now it could reach a whole new level.
 
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#51 ·
Split said:
That's more your reality than anything else. MMA would loose about 90% of why it's popular why that horrible idea you just described.

UFC rules already puts the focus on striking with it's rules. 5 minutes rounds and quick stand up if there is any kind of stall already prevents grapplers from dominating.

Now you want to prevent strikers from finishing their opponent? what the hell is this? Like i said, if you cant handle watching a guy get pounded, go watch K-1.

I am really sick and tired of new people watching MMA and asking for rules changes. It's because of people like you that MMA is reduced to what it is now and that knees to the head and soccer kicks are never going to be allowed, despite having never injured anybody more than other strikes.

And if that 8 count idea is only to prevent upsets, then it's completly retared. In all the "upsets", there was no such things as "lucky" shots that would of been prevented by an 8 count. Ask Cro Cop if he would of been able to continue after an 8 count.

Besides, the dynamic of a boxing and MMA fight is so much more different, the 8 count simply does not apply, esp not the way you described it.

A fighter knocked down gets guard? Thats ridiculous, guard is not such a disadvantage, esp if you are a decent grappler.

I really hope everybody disagrees with you, because i was already pissed off at the current rules, and now it could reach a whole new level.
Exactly. You are right on. And no, no one agrees with him, no one ever does, because he is always wrong.
 
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