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Why does anyone think Franklin will beat A. Silva?

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#1 ·
Now hear me out, I know there are many Franklin fans out there but personally I cannot figure out why they all believe that Franklin will beat Anderson Silva in their rematch. Silva is like a heavyweight in the clinch, he has world class submissions via the Noguieras, much more accurate striking, and overall a better grappler than Franklin. The only other avenue is a puncher's chance, and that isn't a great thing to hope for.

Franklin didn't even review their 1st fight for God's sakes, and I doubt he is even changing his training routine except for maybe knee blocking. The downside is if he tries to overblock the knees from the clinch Silva will release his dominant arm and pop him with an elbow to the head, and we know those hurt from the Lutter fight.

So if you have something to share about why you believe Franklin will straight-up beat Silva, share it up.
 
#30 ·
slapshot said:
Three things I think of when I think of top fighters.

Will = Can take you a long way in anything you do, refusing to lose till you get the opportunity your looking for etc.

Ability = Another aspect of sports that is so key sometimes it can carry a fighter good ways into a career.

Commitment = The work a person puts into reaching there goals, to be able to recognize weaknesses and work to improve them.

Honestly most fighters only have 1 or 2 of these aspects going for them and still do well in MMA that said, each aspect will only take you so far and then you hit a peak or level and thats as far as you will get.
I see Franklin as having all of the traits above and so dose Silva. I look for this to be a much more competitive fight no matter who wins. Franklin is a smart fighter and make no mistake he's one of the top fighters that I feel CAN improve his game and has not "peaked" as far as his ability is concerned. I think he dose have the ability to improve his stand up and I unlike most, I think he has an edge in this fight mentally. Rich knows he had some holes he needed to fill and needs to advance his technique. Silva, well I’m not sure he feels the same way, he might just say "Im good to go as is" and that could lead to him being in the fight of his life.
IMO win or lose I think we will see a much improved Franklin now and I would not be so sure he's outmatched on the ground in fact if I was him I might want to try a few takedowns, with some G&P it could go a long way to slow Silva in the stand up. I dont think anyone will get caught in a sub though. And for gods sake stay out of the clinch as much as possible not just because of last fight but also Silva is just built to excel there with his lanky build and flexibility.
nice post

Franklin is one of my favorite fighters not because i know he will win everytime but for how he holds himself in and out of the ring, he trains hard, still improving everyday. the op said he can not see why anyone will think franklin can win which i dont believe i think this is a toss up with a little edge to franklin for I think he wants the win more
 
#31 ·
Franklin does have a chance standing. It was a while ago but I do kinda remember Franklin getting the better of Anderson in the standup right up until Anderson got the clinch on Franklin. Franklin has heavy hands and if he can just keep out of the clinch while moving in and out of range he has a good chance of winning.
 
#32 ·
Yeah, he hits from weird angles and fights Southpaw even though he's a righty. He hardly ever just stands in front of the opponent and bangs he likes to use his angles and not let the other guy adjust. Didn't work for him so well when he go caught in the clinch. It would be pretty cool if he's been working like hell on the clinch and does some damage to Sylvia in the clinch. But, Sylvia has them long looping legs that can come around and tag you in the side of the ribs or face...
 
#33 ·
js9234 said:
Yeah, he hits from weird angles and fights Southpaw even though he's a righty. He hardly ever just stands in front of the opponent and bangs he likes to use his angles and not let the other guy adjust. Didn't work for him so well when he go caught in the clinch. It would be pretty cool if he's been working like hell on the clinch and does some damage to Sylvia in the clinch. But, Sylvia has them long looping legs that can come around and tag you in the side of the ribs or face...
Anderson Silva is also a southpaw, and he is also probably the most technical striker in mma. Silva uses great angles and he is like a sniper when he throws punches, there is no way rich can out strike Silva.
 
#35 ·
mike123 said:
Anderson Silva is also a southpaw, and he is also probably the most technical striker in mma. Silva uses great angles and he is like a sniper when he throws punches, there is no way rich can out strike Silva.
I think Rich has a good chance of outstriking him. Both are very smart fighters. I'm putting my money on Rich for the rematch.
 
#38 ·
Let's go over a few things, first.

Franklin didn't immediately review the Anderson Silva fight tape because he didn't want to be discouraged by a poor performance. My understanding (this may be right, maybe not) is that he has, since, reviewed the tape now that he's regained some confidence.

Anderson Silva is not nearly as devastating as alot of people would like to have you believe. He beat down Leben with some very good, precision punching. He beat down Franklin with good clinch work, but watch his fight with Ryo Chonan. Would a world class striker be able to get slowed so much by a sloppy performance like that.

Chonan's performance is proof that drive is the big thing that can be used to psychologically discourage Silva. Silva thrives on knowing that his punches are hurting his opponents. If he get's the impression that his opponent is only getting angry, he starts to panic and get a little sloppy.

Franklin is capable of that kind of display. (This is the guy who went 3 rounds with a broken hand against Loiseau) I think that no one is giving Franklin's heart enough credit in the way that it plays in to the psychological side of this matchup.

With that said, I also don't think that you are all there when you say that Silva is an "all around better grappler" than Franklin. Silva's wrestling is mediocre at best and while his long legs make him effective off of his back, I think that if Lutter hadn't been so drained from cutting weight he would have posed alot more of a problem while he was on top of Silva. That's the type of problem that I think Franklin can pose as well.

Franklin is also dangerous is that he's a much thicker fighter than Silva. Silva has that long reach, but if he gets the clinch on Franklin again, I think that Rich is going to set up and work a body lock so that he can work Silva's clinch into a takedown.

People forget that the Muay Thai clinch works most effectively on drained opponents and one's that have been eating alot of shots to the chin (because they feel like their face is more safe in the clinch, I don't know why). A stockier, more muscular fighter is capable of making the Thai clinch difficult because, though his arms may not be slim enough to slim inside, he can pull his opponent closer, making the knees much more difficult to use, and utilize a body lock, or take the risk and drop down for a takedown.

Silva is not invincible. Marquardt was an ill-equipped opponent (he didn't have the heart or the technical abilities to beat a fighter like Silva) and Lutter was drained (and probably ill-equipped too). I believe that the last Franklin fight was a strange thing and that the sequel will be much more interesting.

I'm not going to pick a winner yet, because no one has announced this matchup, but I don't think this will be another demolition.
 
#39 ·
IronMan said:
Let's go over a few things, first.

Franklin didn't immediately review the Anderson Silva fight tape because he didn't want to be discouraged by a poor performance. My understanding (this may be right, maybe not) is that he has, since, reviewed the tape now that he's regained some confidence.

Anderson Silva is not nearly as devastating as alot of people would like to have you believe. He beat down Leben with some very good, precision punching. He beat down Franklin with good clinch work, but watch his fight with Ryo Chonan. Would a world class striker be able to get slowed so much by a sloppy performance like that.

Chonan's performance is proof that drive is the big thing that can be used to psychologically discourage Silva. Silva thrives on knowing that his punches are hurting his opponents. If he get's the impression that his opponent is only getting angry, he starts to panic and get a little sloppy.

Franklin is capable of that kind of display. (This is the guy who went 3 rounds with a broken hand against Loiseau) I think that no one is giving Franklin's heart enough credit in the way that it plays in to the psychological side of this matchup.

With that said, I also don't think that you are all there when you say that Silva is an "all around better grappler" than Franklin. Silva's wrestling is mediocre at best and while his long legs make him effective off of his back, I think that if Lutter hadn't been so drained from cutting weight he would have posed alot more of a problem while he was on top of Silva. That's the type of problem that I think Franklin can pose as well.

Franklin is also dangerous is that he's a much thicker fighter than Silva. Silva has that long reach, but if he gets the clinch on Franklin again, I think that Rich is going to set up and work a body lock so that he can work Silva's clinch into a takedown.

People forget that the Muay Thai clinch works most effectively on drained opponents and one's that have been eating alot of shots to the chin (because they feel like their face is more safe in the clinch, I don't know why). A stockier, more muscular fighter is capable of making the Thai clinch difficult because, though his arms may not be slim enough to slim inside, he can pull his opponent closer, making the knees much more difficult to use, and utilize a body lock, or take the risk and drop down for a takedown.

Silva is not invincible. Marquardt was an ill-equipped opponent (he didn't have the heart or the technical abilities to beat a fighter like Silva) and Lutter was drained (and probably ill-equipped too). I believe that the last Franklin fight was a strange thing and that the sequel will be much more interesting.

I'm not going to pick a winner yet, because no one has announced this matchup, but I don't think this will be another demolition.
dont even draw a comparison of the lutter fight, everyone knows silva was a month from DOUBLE FREAKING KNEE SURGERY. thats NOT something you are even CLOSE TO 100% from after a month. yet he still owned lutter, by all accounts the one favored on the ground. i cant even understand how you call marquart ill equipped.

he is a great striker with heavy hands with an INCREDIBLE ground game, which is according to you silvas weakness. sounds like nate was TAILOR MADE to destroy silva if i read your post correctly. and questioning the heart of a multiple pancrase champion is something i would never do. just doesnt make sense.

and saying that franklin will be able to actually work a takedown from the clinch seems very strange. silva is much stronger than franklin from the clinch, you can easily find interviews where franklin has said that himself, and there is no way he will work a takedown from the clinch against a guy with 15 year's muay thai experience.


and another thing, i do believe franklin has never seen his 1st fight with silva.
 
#41 ·
Z-man-mma-fan said:
dont even draw a comparison of the lutter fight, everyone knows silva was a month from DOUBLE FREAKING KNEE SURGERY. thats NOT something you are even CLOSE TO 100% from after a month. yet he still owned lutter, by all accounts the one favored on the ground. i cant even understand how you call marquart ill equipped.

he is a great striker with heavy hands with an INCREDIBLE ground game, which is according to you silvas weakness. sounds like nate was TAILOR MADE to destroy silva if i read your post correctly. and questioning the heart of a multiple pancrase champion is something i would never do. just doesnt make sense.

and saying that franklin will be able to actually work a takedown from the clinch seems very strange. silva is much stronger than franklin from the clinch, you can easily find interviews where franklin has said that himself, and there is no way he will work a takedown from the clinch against a guy with 15 year's muay thai experience.


and another thing, i do believe franklin has never seen his 1st fight with silva.
7-time King of Pancrase, if I remember correctly. He was supposed to pose big problems for Silva, and look what happened.
 
#42 ·
Wow, for the first time ever I disagree with Ironman. While I don't rule out the possibility of Rich taking it, I would gladly bet my limbs on Anderson taking this fight.

The problem lies both within Rich and Silva.

Rich is a great fighter, but what happened with Silva IMO is the worst beat down I've ever seen in MMA. And apparently he never watched the tape of his last fight with Silva because he didn't want to be discouraged. That right there could be devastating in the fight as Franklin feels simply despicable about what happened last time, which could deter his heart in the fight.

As for Silva, he has amounted all the confidence in the world, demolishing and defacing (no pun intended) Rich Franklin and every other fighter the UFC threw at him. Also, people seem to neglect the fact that Silva is faster then Rich, a more technical striker and has longer reach. Mix all of that and the fact that Silva is stronger and simply better in the clinch then Rich and you've got a world of trouble for Rich standing. On the floor Silva easily has the better BJJ, and ontop of that long legs, which makes it extremely hard for franklin to get into his guard without getting submitted.

Overall I think Franklins best chance is to come out with alot of heart and hitting Silva with a really good punch and from there finding a way to mount Silva. That seems highly unlikely to me so I'm going with Silva.
 
#47 ·
GKY said:
Wow, for the first time ever I disagree with Ironman. While I don't rule out the possibility of Rich taking it, I would gladly bet my limbs on Anderson taking this fight.

The problem lies both within Rich and Silva.

Rich is a great fighter, but what happened with Silva IMO is the worst beat down I've ever seen in MMA. And apparently he never watched the tape of his last fight with Silva because he didn't want to be discouraged. That right there could be devastating in the fight as Franklin feels simply despicable about what happened last time, which could deter his heart in the fight.

As for Silva, he has amounted all the confidence in the world, demolishing and defacing (no pun intended) Rich Franklin and every other fighter the UFC threw at him. Also, people seem to neglect the fact that Silva is faster then Rich, a more technical striker and has longer reach. Mix all of that and the fact that Silva is stronger and simply better in the clinch then Rich and you've got a world of trouble for Rich standing. On the floor Silva easily has the better BJJ, and ontop of that long legs, which makes it extremely hard for franklin to get into his guard without getting submitted.

Overall I think Franklins best chance is to come out with alot of heart and hitting Silva with a really good punch and from there finding a way to mount Silva. That seems highly unlikely to me so I'm going with Silva.
quoted for truth
 
#48 ·
GKY said:
Wow, for the first time ever I disagree with Ironman. While I don't rule out the possibility of Rich taking it, I would gladly bet my limbs on Anderson taking this fight.

The problem lies both within Rich and Silva.

Rich is a great fighter, but what happened with Silva IMO is the worst beat down I've ever seen in MMA. And apparently he never watched the tape of his last fight with Silva because he didn't want to be discouraged. That right there could be devastating in the fight as Franklin feels simply despicable about what happened last time, which could deter his heart in the fight.

As for Silva, he has amounted all the confidence in the world, demolishing and defacing (no pun intended) Rich Franklin and every other fighter the UFC threw at him. Also, people seem to neglect the fact that Silva is faster then Rich, a more technical striker and has longer reach. Mix all of that and the fact that Silva is stronger and simply better in the clinch then Rich and you've got a world of trouble for Rich standing. On the floor Silva easily has the better BJJ, and ontop of that long legs, which makes it extremely hard for franklin to get into his guard without getting submitted.

Overall I think Franklins best chance is to come out with alot of heart and hitting Silva with a really good punch and from there finding a way to mount Silva. That seems highly unlikely to me so I'm going with Silva.
I'm not saying that I think Franklin will beat Silva, I'm just outlining the gameplan that a fighter could use to beat Silva, as Chonan did (though no one will finish with the submission that Chonan landed).

Like I said before, I don't think Franklin never watched that tape, I think he watched it one he had regained some confidence after beating MacDonald. I might be right about that, I might not.

Silva may have all of the confidence in the world, but he has to ask himself: "If Henderson is coming over, how long will it be before Kang, Misaki and Filho come and take my belt?" I don't think that Silva is entirely sure that he will hold his belt indefinitely.

Part of the problem with having that good spider guard is that a good wrestler can get solid control of your ankles and pass on the outside. I don't think Franklin's wrestling is quite at that level, but I do think there is a possibility of Franklin getting a sweep that puts him in side control and working from there.

I agree that Franklin's best chance is to come out and start swinging, try and show Anderson that he is not afraid. If he does that, I think he has a good chance at beating him.

Personally, I'd like to see Rich have one more fight before he takes on Silva. I'd like to see him fight Marquardt because I think that's an interesting matchup, and if he destroys Nate then I think he will have the confidence to execute against Silva.

Unfortunately, I think that the UFC is just going to throw Franklin at Silva, and that leaves me alot less sure of whether Franklin's confidence will be lower than it needs to be.

I'm not saying that I think Franklin will win, but I think that this matchup is alot better than people are expecting it to be.
 
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