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View Poll Results: Should grabbing your own shorts be illegal?

Yes, it should be illegal just like grabbing your opponents shorts 36 56.25%
No, its fine. 28 43.75%
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:20 PM   #11 (permalink)
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i think grabbing your own or your opponents shouldn't be illegal. Its good strategy.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:31 PM   #12 (permalink)
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ehh I see your view on this WL2FU but I think it should be illegal, I just think it is cheap move and I personally dont like it in mma
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:39 PM   #13 (permalink)
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So you guys are telling me that as soon as the other guy gets a hold of your arm you should just let him take it and do whatever he wants with it? You gotta be kidding me if you think Kos is the only guy to ever do this to avoid getting submitted. How can you not use your own body to defend a submission?! That's so absurd!

"well, he's got a hold of my arm, guess the fights over since it is illegal to do anything about it other than use my strength to fight it"

I can understand it being illegal in no-gi JJ because the point of no-gi JJ is to submit your opponent and nothing more nothing less. The point off MMA is to win the damn fight and it would be retarded IMO to tell a fighter he cannot grab a part of HIS OWN body to prevent losing the fight.
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Old 08-27-2007, 06:42 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Um nobody will tell me I can't grab my own shorts that's a bit too far. How the hell are you gonna keep from grabbing your OWN shorts. I'll touch my shorts if I want to. The reason they don't allow you to grab the other guys is because they don't wanna see people resorting to depantsing people to get out of submission or the clinch or whatever. You can grab your own shorts if you want, what does it hurt? They're your shorts, grab them if you want to. It would be stupid to make that illegal IMO.
exactly. it would be a foolish rule to put in to the books.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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I don't remember, but is a fighter allowed to grab his gloves to increase grip?

Also, if it should be legal for a fighter to grab his own shorts because they are apart of his body, why shouldn't he be able to grab his opponents shorts? He's allowed to grab the opponents body to lift, apply submissions, prevent submissions... Where do you draw the line?
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:04 PM   #16 (permalink)
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I don't remember, but is a fighter allowed to grab his gloves to increase grip?

Also, if it should be legal for a fighter to grab his own shorts because they are apart of his body, why shouldn't he be able to grab his opponents shorts? He's allowed to grab the opponents body to lift, apply submissions, prevent submissions... Where do you draw the line?
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:06 PM   #17 (permalink)
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For those who think it should stay allowed because the shorts are 'part of the fighters' body', so then you must think that grabbing the opponents shorts is ok right? Since the shorts are 'part of their body' just like a fighter's leg is grabbed to take him down for example.

Oh yeah, and I don't know anyone who was born with shorts, do fighters get shorts surgically attached now?
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:19 PM   #18 (permalink)
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No, of course you can't grab the other guys shorts cuz then you can just pull them down and they would have to stop the fight. C'mon guys use your brains obviously you can try to make my arguement look bad by saying "well if it's part of their body then I guess it's okay to grab the other guys shorts too" just use your noggin. Your not gonna pull your OWN shorts down and for the record YES it is legal to grab your own gloves to increase grip I see people do it constantly.

So you all think that as soon as the guy gets a hold of the other guys arm that he should just let him do what he wants with it. Of course you should be allowed to grab your own shorts...all GSP had to do was get in a different position and he could have finished it.

This arguement IMO is just silly how in the hell can you tell a fighter that he can't grab his own effing clothes to keep from losing the fight!? That's so dumb lol.

We're not watching a kimura competition. It's a fight. If you can't use things on your OWN body but you're allowed to use the big screen that would be absolutely ridiculous.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:30 PM   #19 (permalink)
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^ They aren't worried about the fighter PANSING the other fighter dude...thats not why the rule is in place. They don't want the other fighter to have an advantage in controlling the opponent by his shorts.
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Old 08-27-2007, 07:35 PM   #20 (permalink)
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The counterargument about grabbing your opponents shorts is a valid one. It could be that you can grab your opponents shorts but it is illegal to pull them down. it seems like it sure as hell would aid you in picking up your opponent for a slam if you can simply grab his shorts.

Also, a fighter shouldn't let his opponent get ahold of his arm to put him in a kimura. How many other times have you seen a fighter grab his own shorts to prevent a kimura? This is a first that I can remember; especially seeing as how this is the first time I've heard anyone question the legality of it. It seems like plenty of MMA fighters, all of them in fact, prevent a fighter from putting him in a Kimura by preventing the bad position in the first place, muscleing his way out of it, or contorting his arm out of it like Rich Franklin did against Okami.

There can't be a double standard. If a fighters shorts are something he can use to his advantage, then they are also something that his opponent can use to his dissadvantage.

Bye the way, use your noggin. The pulling the shorts down move you keep bringing up is completely retarded. I just don't imagine any fighter doing that. It would make him look like a ***got, and would also cause him to lose a point.
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