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Old 08-28-2007, 12:48 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Saying You Cant See In Fight

This bugged me during the fight allot for some reason, I was wondering what everyone else thought about it.

IMO I think If a fighter calls out to a ref like that and has him stop the action because the fighter cant see then the fight is over and the other guy wins. I know it is weired but I think you should not be able to call timeout on a fight
To some of the more intelligent people on the forums Is that illegal in/during a fight?

The reason why it bugged me the momentum that randy had at that moment was put on pause and I think that that alters it a bit plus even though they try to put them in the same position they never can truely

I know Randy won so dont post here telling me to stop whining and all for I am not, it just bothered me a little plus I am curious about it.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:29 AM   #2 (permalink)
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I'm not sure, but it seems like a mistake on Herb's part. Don't know if there's a rule about it. I know the ref has the authority to stop the fight to have a doctor look at a cut, so I guess that could've been his reason. Although the blood didn't seem to be bad enough to have a doctor look at it. Especially if you compare it to the cut Heath had in one of the prelims and the ref wouldn't stop it. That was crazy blood. It was just pooring out of him. The mat was saturated. Gruesome.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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So what was Gonzaga going to do, fight with his eyes closed like in that movie, Blind Fury? Usually when a fighter is risking getting blood in his eyes it's already a time out.
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Old 08-28-2007, 01:50 AM   #4 (permalink)
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They frequently give time outs to clear blood out of the eyes, it's just never been demanded before.

Also, I would have hunted Dana down for some $$ if that fight was stopped then. Could you imagine the reaction from the crowd if Herb would have called the fight there? I'm thinking riots...
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Old 08-28-2007, 02:14 AM   #5 (permalink)
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hard situation, because fights are often put on pause by the ref to clean up a fighter that is as bloody as he was. but the fact that he requested it may be a touchy subject, but in my opinion, the fight should not be stopped, but maybe herb dean should have gotten him checked out if there was that much blood that he couldn't see?
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Old 08-28-2007, 02:21 AM   #6 (permalink)
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i think its the same as checking a cut.. the doctor IMO should decide if the fighter can continue or not..
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Old 08-28-2007, 02:27 AM   #7 (permalink)
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well i say it depends on the amount of blood and the position...if its a lil blood then no. but for gonzaga's case there was a decent amount of blood and a lot of it got all over couture's shoulder. Im thinking the blood from couture's shoulder probably got in his eye since they were in the clinch a lot.

Now if he demanded the ref to check with while he was getting blasted in the face i disagree.

I also would of been pissed at herb if he didnt restart them in the same position...good job on his part. just my two cents
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I think Herb Dean handled the situation very well. While I know cuts often get checked or cleaned up during the fight, it's always at the referee's discretion. In a fight you need to keep going at all times util told otherwise by the referee. you don't get to call timeout even if you've been hit by a low blow or have blood pouring down your face. You keep going until the ref steps in, if he does. A fighter asking the referee to stop the fight for whatever reason is almost like a forfeit in my mind. On the other hand this is a very unusual situation and you don't want to prematurely stop the fight at that point. I feel Herb did a good job explaining to Gabe that what he was asking for was not allowed, then getting a doctor in the interest of safety, then resetting them in the same exact position and moving the process along at a good pace to minimize any advantage either fighter may have gained by the break. All things considered: Good job Herb!

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Old 08-28-2007, 03:00 AM   #9 (permalink)
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Herb Dean did his job correctly. The dude is primarily there to enforce safety, and if Gabe was actually impaired and Herb didnt do anything then he wouldnt be such a great ref.

I dont know, it didnt bother me as much for some reason. The man probably really couldnt see. It wasnt his fault so much blood was pouring in his eyes. It happens, anyone whos broken their nose knows how much you bleed and how much it affects your eyes, but I guess you got to suck it up right?

But Gabe never wanted the fight stopped or paused for a long period, he just wanted his eyes whiped, Im sure he knew theyd be in the same position right after. And even if he stopped to rest, hed know Randys restin too, so not much of an advantage.

I dont know, just didnt feel to much about it.

PS: as much as Herb said we cant do anything about your eyes, the Doc just walked up to him and wiped his eyes clean.
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Old 08-28-2007, 03:37 AM   #10 (permalink)
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Herb Dean did his job correctly. The dude is primarily there to enforce safety, and if Gabe was actually impaired and Herb didnt do anything then he wouldnt be such a great ref.

I dont know, it didnt bother me as much for some reason. The man probably really couldnt see. It wasnt his fault so much blood was pouring in his eyes. It happens, anyone whos broken their nose knows how much you bleed and how much it affects your eyes, but I guess you got to suck it up right?

But Gabe never wanted the fight stopped or paused for a long period, he just wanted his eyes whiped, Im sure he knew theyd be in the same position right after. And even if he stopped to rest, hed know Randys restin too, so not much of an advantage.

I dont know, just didnt feel to much about it.

PS: as much as Herb said we cant do anything about your eyes, the Doc just walked up to him and wiped his eyes clean.
Pretty much my thoughts exactly. Gabe can't really help the amount he bleeds, and I would have a tough time believing that he would want to gain an advantage by faking an injury. He was bleeding quite a bit, and he just asked to get the blood out of his eyes. Has happened several times I believe.
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