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Old 09-01-2007, 07:23 PM   #11 (permalink)
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I absolutely agree that it should be Nog vs. AA for #1 contender.

CroCop should have at least two more wins. Maybe if Vera beats Sylvia and when CroCop beats Kongo then it could be Vera vs. CroCop to be in line behind winner of Nog/AA.
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:27 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I absolutely agree that it should be Nog vs. AA for #1 contender.

CroCop should have at least two more wins. Maybe if Vera beats Sylvia and when CroCop beats Kongo then it could be Vera vs. CroCop to be in line behind winner of Nog/AA.
I agree with this.
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:56 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I think Nogueira would kick Randy's ass. He's a great boxer, his ground game is better than Gonzaga's and he has heart. I think Nog will be champ by the spring of next year and Fedor will have to dethrone him again.
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Old 09-01-2007, 07:56 PM   #14 (permalink)
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Now I know your new and ya prolly dont know much about Pride so hear we go.

Actually I know quite a bit about Pride... but that's irrelevant to what we're discussing here.



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CroCop and Big Nog are considered by everyone as part of the top 5 HW.

Agreed, though only having been part of one fight inside the octagon (two in Cro Cop's case), that IMO isn't nearly enough to be given a direct title shot, despite their past work in Pride. Henderson getting an automatic title shot makes sense, mainly because the drawing point is that it's 'UFC Light Heavyweight champion vs. Pride Light Heavyweight champion'. It’s only logical to have Henderson go up against Jackson, but that's merely an example of an ex-Pride fighter coming into the octagon and deserving a direct title shot.



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Now Vera has beatin one fighter really worth mentioning and that is a Frank Mir (who is a mere shadow of his former self)

Again, that's not the point. Vera was up to face Sylvia for the title, regardless of your opinions on the man. Hey, I was against Gonzaga getting the title shot, but what can do?



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IFmentioning Vera in the same breath as CroCop and Nog is well, ridiculous.

How so? The guy may not have established himself thus far, which I completely understand, but we're talking about an excellent stand up fighter, along with top notch ground work to add on to that. To put the guy down like that is well, ridiculous.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:00 PM   #15 (permalink)
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Again, that's not the point. Vera was up to face Sylvia for the title, regardless of your opinions on the man. Hey, I was against Gonzaga getting the title shot, but what can do?
Karo was supposed to fight for the WW title, but he got injured and had to pull out of contention. Brandon Vera missed his boat of opportunity by getting entangled in a contract dispute with the UFC. I personally don't think there should be any exceptions, Brandon Vera was only #1 contender at the time because there was no one else beyond Arlovski to challenge Sylvia for the belt.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:08 PM   #16 (permalink)
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Karo was supposed to fight for the WW title, but he got injured and had to pull out of contention. Brandon Vera missed his boat of opportunity by getting entangled in a contract dispute with the UFC. I personally don't think there should be any exceptions, Brandon Vera was only #1 contender at the time because there was no one else beyond Arlovski to challenge Sylvia for the belt.

I'm still in favor of giving Vera another chance, amongst other things. If he can put together 2-3 wins, then there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that he should be up to face the HC.

And about Arlovski, it looks as if a renewal of his contract is unlikely at this point, but I agree that he's certainly up there to be inline for a title shot.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:23 PM   #17 (permalink)
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I wouldnt ever count CroCop out but i think Randy takes him to ground and stops him with gnp!
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:30 PM   #18 (permalink)
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I'm still in favor of giving Vera another chance, amongst other things. If he can put together 2-3 wins, then there's absolutely no doubt in my mind that he should be up to face the HC.

And about Arlovski, it looks as if a renewal of his contract is unlikely at this point, but I agree that he's certainly up there to be inline for a title shot.
I think if Vera can prove himself against at least one or two upper tier HWs he'll be more worthy of a title shot. I mean, back when he was #1 contender, there weren't names like "Cro Cop" and "Nogueira" in the division. He needs to prove that he can hang with the big boys, not guys like Assuerio Silva and Frank Mir.

As for Andrei, I really hope they re-sign him. He beat Werdum intelligently, and KO'd Pe de Pano. Just because the victory over Fabricio wasn't spectacular doesn't make him less worthy of a title shot, he's already a proven contender IMO.
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Old 09-01-2007, 08:44 PM   #19 (permalink)
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True, Vera could still prove himself in the division, and a win over any big name fighter would speak volumes for a potential run at the title.

I agree completely with the current Arlovski situation. Just because White didn't think highly of his bout with Werdum, doesn't mean that his deserved title shot should have been taken away. I too would love too see Arlovski resign, as I truly believe he's one of the more entertaining fighters in the division.
I think with a win over Tim Sylvia, Brandon Vera will definitely be on the path to a title shot. People can rag on Tim Sylvia all they want, but it doesn't change the fact he is a top 10 Heavyweight.

As for Andrei, he needs to bring back the fire (aka the out of control chest and shoulder hair).

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Old 09-01-2007, 08:58 PM   #20 (permalink)
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I wanna see more UFC vs Pride fights and not the same old Crocop vs Nog, not yet anyway. I think winner of Sylvia vs Vera should fight the winner of Kongo vs Crocop and Arlowski should fight Nog for a title shot. I think that cos Sylvia only just got beat so doesnt deserve contendership straight away, Vera has been away for to long and is yet to prove himself. Crocop just got KTFO and Congo isnt ready for a shot yet as randy would take him down and GnP him easily. Nog needs to have a dominant fight and not nearly get badly KO'd and Arlowski also needs to have a good dominant fight to get them both noticed by the fans. Randy vs Crocop, Nog, Arlowski would all be great fights though.
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