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Is pound for pound based soley on record?

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#1 ·
Is peoples perception of p4p based solely on mma record? Ive never encountered a system of actually mapping out "pound for pound". If you rank people according to their records there are a few guys at the top who shouldnt be there and some guys at the bottom who would be severely undervalued... so my question is how should/ can it be measured?:thumbsup:
 
#3 ·
And guys like Dan Henderson who have been at the top of 2 weight classes, BJ Penn also.

Its nothing to do with records as far as im concerned.
 
#5 · (Edited)
Best P4P fighter IMO comes down to a combination of Talent, Size, and Opponents beaten (Extra points for more recent fights). Fedor is so dominate that he really domiantes rankings but since he is so big it makes it hard to put him at #1. BJ Penn has beaten no one top class in 3 years so I can't put him in the #1 spot. Shogun is a fantastic fighter but is also like Fedor in a Heavier weightclass. Right now I have to go with GSP even though he is not really a WW since he is huge bigger than many MW's. but he is the smallest guy with the great talent and he has the strongest record under 205.
 
#7 ·
i think PFP is garbage. cause it all depends who fights who in their class, how often, and how the wins and losses happen.

like, there's no such thing as the best fighter ever... as much as i tug on Bas's scrote, you never can tell across all weight classes who's the best.
 
#10 ·
Pound for pound shouldnt have anything to do with a fighters weight, its there skill set in relation to other peoples, hence the name pound for pound. Its a bit silly to say fedor cant be number 1 because he's so big. Also I dont think its based solely on record at all otherwise roger huerta would be at number 1 lightweight and Rich Franklin would be above anderson silva at middleweight.
 
#11 ·
Brydon said:
Pound for pound shouldnt have anything to do with a fighters weight, its there skill set in relation to other peoples, hence the name pound for pound. Its a bit silly to say fedor cant be number 1 because he's so big. Also I dont think its based solely on record at all otherwise roger huerta would be at number 1 lightweight and Rich Franklin would be above anderson silva at middleweight.
No offense bro but Pound for Pound basically means the most talented fighter if you were to make size equal. I think GSP would beat Fedor if they were the same size and I'm not even a big GSP fan but he would be much faster than Fedor if their size was even.
 
#12 ·
Kid Yamamoto is the best P4P fighter because he is the smallest guy who has beaten the most guys in above weight classes and in devastating fashion usually.

The smaller you are, the more people you beat in above weight classes, the higher you are ranked P4P. Fedor should not be considered #1 P4P in the world because he is too big.
 
#13 ·
Only problem with Kid is he hasn't fought many top fighters I think he and BJ based on talent and Size are 1 and 2 but until they beat top contenders they are somewhere between 3-6
 
#14 ·
bbjd7 said:
No offense bro but Pound for Pound basically means the most talented fighter if you were to make size equal. I think GSP would beat Fedor if they were the same size and I'm not even a big GSP fan but he would be much faster than Fedor if their size was even.
If their size was even, how do you know GSP would be faster? Or better? That's nearly impossible to tell.
 
#15 ·
bbjd7 said:
Only problem with Kid is he hasn't fought many top fighters I think he and BJ based on talent and Size are 1 and 2 but until they beat top contenders they are somewhere between 3-6
I know he hasn't beaten any top 5 guys but the fact that he walks around at 141 pounds and fights guys who walk around at 160+ and knocks their asses out, nobody else can say that. He may not have faught top 5 guys but he has faught some damn good competition...Caol Uno, Genki Sudo, Josh Thompson...and some others. Who else can say that? I think Kid is the smallest guy to have the most success in higher weight classes.
 
#16 ·
WouldLuv2FightU said:
If their size was even, how do you know GSP would be faster? Or better? That's nearly impossible to tell.
It is the way P4P is who has the most talent divided by Pounds (way to literal obviously). So IMO GSP has more talent and Speed per pound than Fedor.
 
#17 ·
WouldLuv2FightU said:
I know he hasn't beaten any top 5 guys but the fact that he walks around at 141 pounds and fights guys who walk around at 160+ and knocks their asses out, nobody else can say that. He may not have faught top 5 guys but he has faught some damn good competition...Caol Uno, Genki Sudo, Josh Thompson...and some others. Who else can say that? I think Kid is the smallest guy to have the most success in higher weight classes.
Very True and if he beats one top 5 FW I put him #1 right away just as if BJ beats 1 top 10 LW I put him either #1 or #2 depending on Kid.
 
#18 ·
i`ll agree with Fedor not being best pound for pound, fact is the guy is soft, he relies on his size a lot, if you were to shrink him down while keeping his muscle mass the same proportion in a middle or welterweight bout.. im not sure he`d do well.
 
#20 ·
One thing I'd like to point out on the GSP & Fedor comparison.

GSP is a big welter weight, he cuts weight to fight in that division.

Fedor fights at his natural weight class.

Edit: This is coming from a GSP fan.
They definately belong in the best p4p fighters.
 
#21 ·
Yea I was thinking about what you just mentioned Benn And I started to wonder if guys like Rich Franklin and GSP shouldn't be included in the P4P rankings or should get a little negative against them since they cut so much weight and are both just huge compared to their opponents. It is something to think about. Would both of them be less effective without their size.
 
#22 ·
thats very true, honestly i never thought of it that way.

Then again look at it this way... Fedor is about 240pounds, and probably at 12% or more bodyfat. Cut him down to size but keep that same muscle to fat ratio and put him into a 170pound division, even though hes got great skill, one of the things he relies on is strength and thats gone.
 
#23 ·
bbjd7 said:
Yea I was thinking about what you just mentioned Benn And I started to wonder if guys like Rich Franklin and GSP shouldn't be included in the P4P rankings or should get a little negative against them since they cut so much weight and are both just huge compared to their opponents. It is something to think about. Would both of them be less effective without their size.
we could find out if the UFC but St.pierre in a middleweight fight :D
 
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