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Old 09-07-2007, 02:53 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Heres how I see it.
1) Fedor has already established himself as number one fighter in the world, he doesn't need the UFC to become the number one. The ufc has also established itself as number one organization. Not having Fedor won't affect PPV sales nor will it affect it's ability to say it's the top dog.
2) Fedor has established himself as number one but to be able to maintain his credibility he needs to fight the remaining top 10 he has not fought ie Couture, barnett, and maybe 1 other. On the other hand the UFC can not say it truly has the top fighters in the world if it does not have the single greatest fighter in the world at the moment.

I'm currently inclined to go with number one. Neither really needs each other, they could just help each other out.
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Old 09-07-2007, 03:04 PM   #12 (permalink)
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I'm not high on crack, and I'm not dissing Fedor. All I'm saying is that there will always be questions about his world supremacy if he hasn't fought all the world's best. At least in the West there will be.
He hasn't fought Sylvia, Arlovski, Couture, Gonzaga, Barnett, Vera or Monson. He has fought Zulu and Nagata, though...
I'm not questioning Fedor's warrior spirit. It's just that it seems to have been shelved in favour of his bargaining spirit lately. As a fight fan, that's not the Fedor I want to see. I want to see the Fedor who has awesome fights with awesome fighters. Watching him whallop cans in an inferior promotion would be sickening.
I'm tired of all the "Fedor can do whatever he wants because Fedor is the best" talk. It's freaking nonsense. He'll find the most fame and make the most money in UFC. He'll be the undisputed champion of the world by fighting the best heavyweights in UFC.
People need to come to their senses about this, and so do Fedor and all the suits he listens to.
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Old 09-07-2007, 04:14 PM   #13 (permalink)
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I'm not high on crack, and I'm not dissing Fedor. All I'm saying is that there will always be questions about his world supremacy if he hasn't fought all the world's best. At least in the West there will be.
He hasn't fought . He has fought Zulu and Nagata, though...
I'm not questioning Fedor's warrior spirit. It's just that it seems to have been shelved in favour of his bargaining spirit lately. As a fight fan, that's not the Fedor I want to see. I want to see the Fedor who has awesome fights with awesome fighters. Watching him whallop cans in an inferior promotion would be sickening.
I'm tired of all the "Fedor can do whatever he wants because Fedor is the best" talk. It's freaking nonsense. He'll find the most fame and make the most money in UFC. He'll be the undisputed champion of the world by fighting the best heavyweights in UFC.
People need to come to their senses about this, and so do Fedor and all the suits he listens to.
The thing is he doesn't need more money and he is already the undisputed number one HW in the world. SOme will always disagree but every major organization recognizes him as the best and almost every fan recognizes him as the best.
Yeah, he doesn't have wins over every top 10 fighter to be considered the best. He has the most wins in the most dominating fashion.
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I'm not high on crack, and I'm not dissing Fedor. All I'm saying is that there will always be questions about his world supremacy if he hasn't fought all the world's best. At least in the West there will be.
He hasn't fought Sylvia, Arlovski, Couture, Gonzaga, Barnett, Vera or Monson. He has fought Zulu and Nagata, though...
I'm not questioning Fedor's warrior spirit. It's just that it seems to have been shelved in favour of his bargaining spirit lately. As a fight fan, that's not the Fedor I want to see. I want to see the Fedor who has awesome fights with awesome fighters. Watching him whallop cans in an inferior promotion would be sickening.
I'm tired of all the "Fedor can do whatever he wants because Fedor is the best" talk. It's freaking nonsense. He'll find the most fame and make the most money in UFC. He'll be the undisputed champion of the world by fighting the best heavyweights in UFC.
People need to come to their senses about this, and so do Fedor and all the suits he listens to.
True Fedor fought some cans, but he also fought a lot of top competition. Can you name one other fighter that has the resume of Fedor? The only one I can think of would be GSP, but he has 2 losses on his record.
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True Fedor fought some cans, but he also fought a lot of top competition. Can you name one other fighter that has the resume of Fedor? The only one I can think of would be GSP, but he has 2 losses on his record.
GSP, matt hughes and Big nog are all that come to mind.
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I commend you guys for the way you follow the sport. Just in case I didn't make this clear before, I absolutely agree that Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world.
I'm speaking about public perception, not mine or yours.
What we're failing to realize here, hard as it is to swallow, is that the average MMA fan in North American knows little or nothing about Fedor. Some have heard of "that Russian guy, who's supposed to be good or seomthing" but that's about it. Others have no clue. They don't deserve comtempt for that, either. They just don't know any better.
Like it or not, that's the way it is. The only way that will ever be changed is if Fedor fights in UFC and proves himself against that organization's best. Otherwise, people will never know just how good he is.
Hell, I want to know just how good he is.
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Fedor doesnt care about records, he makes his money for his family, and takes the next fight in 6 months time. It's as simple as that, and he cares more about Russian fans then he does UFC fans.
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I commend you guys for the way you follow the sport. Just in case I didn't make this clear before, I absolutely agree that Fedor is the best heavyweight in the world.
I'm speaking about public perception, not mine or yours.
What we're failing to realize here, hard as it is to swallow, is that the average MMA fan in North American knows little or nothing about Fedor. Some have heard of "that Russian guy, who's supposed to be good or seomthing" but that's about it. Others have no clue. They don't deserve comtempt for that, either. They just don't know any better.
Like it or not, that's the way it is. The only way that will ever be changed is if Fedor fights in UFC and proves himself against that organization's best. Otherwise, people will never know just how good he is.
Hell, I want to know just how good he is.

the point im trying to get across is he doesnt give a flying crap whether american fans know him or not. hes already getting pretty popular here just from dana mentioning him, and hes like an international superstar in the rest of the world, he doesnt really care whether he can boost his popularity in just ONE MORE country. and he has already established himself as the best, and has more money than he could ever possibly need. he HONESTLY can do whatever he wants. and he doesnt care about fedor haters like you.
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I'm not high on crack, and I'm not dissing Fedor. All I'm saying is that there will always be questions about his world supremacy if he hasn't fought all the world's best. At least in the West there will be.
He hasn't fought Sylvia, Arlovski, Couture, Gonzaga, Barnett, Vera or Monson.
Monson?!? Are you kidding me?
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the point im trying to get across is he doesnt give a flying crap whether american fans know him or not. hes already getting pretty popular here just from dana mentioning him, and hes like an international superstar in the rest of the world, he doesnt really care whether he can boost his popularity in just ONE MORE country. and he has already established himself as the best, and has more money than he could ever possibly need. he HONESTLY can do whatever he wants. and he doesnt care about fedor haters like you.
OK, how the hell did you get "Fedor hater" out of anything I posted? I already said he was the best heavyweight in the world. But it's a goddamn travesty that the best heavyweight in the world isn't fighting the world's best heavyweights. Honestly, I'm an MMA fan. And as a fan, I want to see the best fighting the best. Can you seriously tell me you actually want to see Fedor smash cans and fight middleweights in K-1 and Bodog? Give me a break. UFC is where it's at, and that's where Fedor should be.

As far as the money and exposure, that's not even the most important part. But yeah, I see it as one more reason for him to sign. You know, the West is a pretty big market.




Oh, and Jeff Monson may not be everyone's favourite fighter, but he's a way better opponent than a some of the guys Fedor has faced.
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