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Its not complicated. If a fighter beats the existing P4P #1, he will always get a massive boost in rankings. If Chris was ranked #1, then Rockhold would be higher than Conor for sure.

Not that P4P means much in a noob sport with barely 5 elite guys in each division. But it is what it is.
Yeah, I agree this simple formula can be used to explain it. But other questions still stand in the air and that's what I was trying to discuss.

Interesting that Conor beating Aldo, who was the #1 P4P, landing the first strike in an exchange is enough reason to boost him 4 positions ahead of Rockhold, but this same Aldo former top P4P won't deserve an instant rematch. So apparently Aldo was good enough to boost Conor up, but not good enough to get what most other champions got: an instant rematch.
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Next we'll be hearing "Conor also ducked Clay Guida and Nik Lentz. He's the worst ever. Cody McKenzie's striking is better".

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Yeah, I agree this simple formula can be used to explain it. But other questions still stand in the air and that's what I was trying to discuss.

Interesting that Conor beating Aldo, who was the #1 P4P, landing the first strike in an exchange is enough reason to boost him 4 positions ahead of Rockhold, but this same Aldo former top P4P won't deserve an instant rematch. So apparently Aldo was good enough to boost Conor up, but not good enough to get what most other champions got: an instant rematch.
Yeah, theres lots of not-making-much-sense stuff.

Like, they boost Conor up loads for beating Aldo, which implies Aldo is an extremely good fighter. And then drop Aldo down a shitload for losing one fight, which implies the opposite.

Its silly really.

When you look at the top 100 P4P in boxing, it is chock-a-block full of excellent fighters. So the top 20 carries serious significance. But in MMA, only the top 20 or 30 are very good fighters. 30-100 is full of meh. So when the UFC try to push a Top20 P4P list, it makes them look desperate and quite pathetic, if im honest.
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@Soojooko boxing rankings are MUUUUUUUCH worse than MMA rankings. To some people, David Haye just beat a nobody. To one commission, David Haye just beat the 10th ranked fighter. It's all over the place. It's not something that can be definitive anyways. It's a ranking so it's bound to have a lot of variables in there which someone else might not have. It makes sense for Conor to be above Rockhold anyways with the Aldo win. Like you said, if Weidman was ranked #1 Rockhold would have been rocketed up there.

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@Soojooko boxing rankings are MUUUUUUUCH worse than MMA rankings. To some people, David Haye just beat a nobody. To one commission, David Haye just beat the 10th ranked fighter. It's all over the place. It's not something that can be definitive anyways. It's a ranking so it's bound to have a lot of variables in there which someone else might not have. It makes sense for Conor to be above Rockhold anyways with the Aldo win. Like you said, if Weidman was ranked #1 Rockhold would have been rocketed up there.
When looking at individuals, of course boxing has some strange rankings.

But your missing the crux of my second point. The boxing top 100 as a whole is full top to bottom with very good fighters. So picking out a top 10 or 20 is worth the effort. Im saying that P4P discussion in MMA is premature. The pool simply isn't big enough to be talking about top 20 P4P lists.

Basically, P4P in MMA is super dumb.
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When looking at individuals, of course boxing has some strange rankings.

But your missing the crux of my second point. The boxing top 100 as a whole is full top to bottom with very good fighters. So picking out a top 10 or 20 is worth the effort. Im saying that P4P discussion in MMA is premature. The pool simply isn't big enough to be talking about top 20 P4P lists.

Basically, P4P in MMA is super dumb.
Well it depends on what you are looking for. Those top 100 boxers aren't as talented fighters as MMA fighters, they just have bigger names. It's a lot harder to put together an impressive streak and get that momentum behind you in MMA than it is in boxing. I don't know anyone who is able to fight for as long as Gennedy Golovkin without fighting a top contender. So boxing is more capable of filling their top 100 with "top fighters" because so little of those top fighters fight one another. If Tony Ferguson fights Khabib, Gilbert Melendez and Donald Cerrone back to back, he could very well lose all 3 and drop right back to the mid to lower 20s of the division. He's still a tremendous fighter but in MMA you can't have a top 10 filled with guys who don't fight each other you know what I mean?

If Kell Brook and Amir Khan were to fight, one's stock would plummet. In MMA the stock goes up and down so much that you have less opportunity to have several high ranked guys who are legit.

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But... do you value the one punch KO in Aldo, something that he never done before to no one, higher than going toe to toe with Chris Weidman and stpping the younger undefeated champion in brutal undisputed fashion? Even McGregor said himself Aldo was an old midget on his way out of the game. Could this be said about Chis Weidman?

And wasn't Strikeforce absorbed by UFC? And isn't true some people here make a case Strikeforce athletes are superior than UFC's anyway?
Luke Rockhold has a victory over Jacare too, don't forget.

If Rockhold and Conor would weight the same, Rockhold has a hell of a distance and would be very confortable launching kicks from a safe distance until getting his hands on McGregor and submitting him with ease.

So, I really don't think Conor beats Rockhold either on the names he beat or in a virtual fight between the two.
Conor KO'ing the #1 P4P fighter is more impressive than Luke taking 4 rounds to beat Chris, especially when you consider that Chris was doing well in that fight and was more than competitive. In the case of Aldo, he was starched in 13 seconds effortlessly.

As for other other wins, again it's subjective. Is mendes less impressive than Machida? Both guys were #2 in the division when they beat them and both are well rounded guys. You can go on and on about their respective wins and at the end of they day they are basically the same.

What matters is this - Conor is on a longer win streak than Luke, Conor has more fights in the UFC than Luke, Conor is undefeated in the UFC (which Luke is not), and he knocked out the #1 P4P fighter in the world effortlessly in 13 seconds. All of that pulls him ahead of Luke. The best you can do is argue that Luke maybe possibly has a couple of better wins in the past, such as Jacare. Which is meaningless when considering the CURRENT P4P best, which goes on what is current, and what is current is Conor has a longer win streak, is undefeated in the company, knocked out the #1 P4P in the world, etc. He has done a lot more in the last couple years than Luke has.
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