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Woodley blasts Johny Hendricks, says Stephen Thompson needs to fight Rory MacDonald

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#1 ·
This got me thinking. Big Rig use to come out swinging. Maybe having to worry about his conditioning plays a factor in not going full throttle.

It's been an interesting few days for Tyron Woodley.

The supposed No. 1 UFC welterweight contender watched Stephen Thompson score the win of his career last weekend when he became the first to TKO former champ Johny Hendricks.

Fans, media and Thompson seem to think the win earned him the next crack at Robbie Lawler, but Woodley isn't about to let it slide. Woodley was due to face Hendricks, a longtime rival dating back to their NCAA wrestling days, at UFC 192 in October but that bout was scrapped after Hendricks suffered an intestinal blockage and kidney stones cutting weight.

"I had to get off my Twitter," Woodley said on his podcast. "People telling me, 'You haven't fought for a year. [Thompson] went out there and beat the No. 1 guy.' OK, why didn't I beat the No. 1 guy? [Hendricks'] lack of commitment to the sport and that bout [at UFC 192]. I'm starting to think he was scared to fight. I never believed that, but the fact that he didn't even make it to the scale, it forfeited my opportunity to have a performance like that, to do what I've trained to do.

"Should I be penalized for that? I've been the only guy that's been professional, making weight, going out there and fighting, taking short notice fights, doing favors for the UFC. Because [Thompson] fights the person I was supposed to fight he should jump over me? That's a joke. That's kind of comical."

Woodley isn't looking to take anything away from Thompson, but says the Karate fighter still isn't a proven commodity. Thompson needs one more marquee win to get that title shot, according to Woodley.

"He went out and got his damn name out there Saturday night when he roughed-up Johny," Woodley said of Thompson. "He didn't earn a title shot, but he put himself in position. I feel like he should fight one more fight, maybe against Rory MacDonald, maybe Carlos Condit. Another long striker so we can see how he does with a striker who can deal with that. Then he's ready to roll."

As for Hendricks, Woodley thinks the former champ lost the fight before he ever stepped into the Octagon.

"He was so worried about the weight," Woodley said of Hendricks. "He wanted to shut up all the naysayers. I think the focus should have been more on the gameplan, on preparing him for that style of a matchup. I guarantee you he didn't bring in the right training partners to prepare him for that unorthodox style. He didn't take him lightly like Jake Ellenberger did. He didn't have the proper preparation. He was weighting 174 pounds on Tuesday. That's stupid. Your body has no nutrition. You basically held your body for a week because you wanted to prove to everybody that you can make weight.

"The first round, he looked terrible. He looked like he was done. He looked like it was the sixth round. We've seen Johny take some hard punches. He can take a punch. This guy got hit with a back kick that hit his arm and shoulder, not even the face. His brain was dehydrated which made it easier for him to be concussed. It was sad to watch, to be honest."

http://www.mmafighting.com/2016/2/1...hendricks-stephen-thompson-holm-tate-mma-news
 
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#2 ·
Some of that is really thought out critique - especially the dehydration to the brain part. Anyone know if that holds weight scientifically? I need to look that shit up, because that's crazy if that's true.

I agree he looked like crap but also doesn't have that much striking ability. His hands are pretty good, and he has plenty of power, but he's no high level striker as far as technique goes. He got absolutely lit up by a good striker and I think that same guy would do the same to Lawler too. Wonderboy is legit and Woodley needs to give him a bit more credit because he deserves it.
 
#8 ·
"'I've been the only guy that's been professional"

Stopped reading there, this guy is as much as a crybaby as Hill Billy is.

I honestly don't know why he even gets jobs as a analyst, every time he opens his mouth is either:

- crying about not getting a title shot.
- some stupid relevant shit, that someone else in the studio has to point out.
 
#11 ·
While Woodley should fight someone imo, he has a point. He could well have KOed Hendricks months ago and should have been next in line had he. He has a right to be pissed off as it was out of his hands.

That being said, shit happens. Thompson KOed him, Woodley didnt. Easy to decide who ranks ahead then.

I'd do Thompson Vs Lawler for the title next tbh but most people want it to be Condit rematch so anyone in a number 1 contender match against Thompson is good with me.
 
#13 ·
Wow you people are a-holes.

1.) Tyron Woodley has beaten 4 times the ranked opponants that Thompson has 4(Condit),8(Stun Gun), 10(Tarec), 12(Gastelum), Thompson has beaten 5(Hendricks) and that's it.

2.) Woodley has lost to #1(Rory Macdonald), Thompson has lost to #7(Matt Brown)

3.) It isn't Woodley's fault that Hendricks missed weight, he was ready to go in December when he was promised a title shot. A title shot he likely should have gotten over Carlos (2-4)Condit, who has one foot out the door.

4.) We need to know Johny Hendricks didn't throw that fight. The new sad economic reality of the UFC is the veteran guys want out. Josh Thomson, Josh Koscheck, Phil Davis and god knows who else know they can make better money outside the UFC and they aren't trying.

And I'm not just saying that to crap on Johny Hendricks, Johny Hendricks had a very rough contract with Team Takedown. They basically built him up from scratch and when the Reebok came along and the revenue dissipated Hendricks had to leave his camp.

We can find out if Hendricks and Ellenberger took dives fairly soon, you just need to wait to see what shape Hendricks comes into his next fight or if Ellenberger signs with Bellator.

5.) It's his first ranked win, give the guy another big fight. Demian Maia, Hector Lombard, Rory Macdonald, avenge his loss to Matt Brown. Why are we rushing to put Thompson in the title picture? It's Robbie F'n Lawler he could have a great fight with a wet sack of potato's.
 
#14 ·
Tyrone woodley hasnt fought in over a year, a decent part of that is down to him. That for me is enough for him to not be next in line. He also beat Condit by luck and barely got past Gastulem. He has been anything but impressive.

Thompsons loss to matt Brown was years ago thats like me bringing up Woodleys loss to Marquardt! Its ridiculous.

Anyways its hard to take your opinion seriously when you start talking about throwing fights.
 
#15 ·
Tyrone woodley hasnt fought in over a year, a decent part of that is down to him.
Bullshit, it was entirely up to the UFC.

January - Woodley beats Gastelum, Lombard is suspended, Brown/Hendricks is booked.

March - Lawler/Macdonald is booked, Maia beats Laflare, Hendricks beats Brown, Hendricks/Woodley is booked

May - Condits beats Alves...which somehow entitles him to a title shot. Magney/Maia is booked

July/August - Lawler beats Macdonald, Maia beats Magney Brown beats Mean

October - Hendricks pulls out of the fight the UFC does not book the replacement fight for Woodley (Tumenov/Jouban)

January - Lawler beats Condit, Thompson beats Hendricks, Saffadiene beats Ellenberger

Tyron Woodley had to wait
2 months for an opponent for a title eliminator
6 months for the title eliminator to get ready
4 months for the booked title fight

He didn't have a single worthy opponent for a year, and now a year later you expect him to fight in another title eliminator so he can sit on the sidelines for another 8 months.

And yes I'm bringing up Brown/Thompson because that was the only other ranked opponent Thompson has ever fought.

He's beaten one ranked opponent in his entire career so Woodley should have to wait 2 years for his title opportunity, when he's been healthy the entire time.
 
#18 ·
You are counting a 2011 win over an unranked at the time Tarac Saffiedine as a reason he deserves a title shot? And an injury win over Condit... and you are counting Hendricks not making it to the fight as a win also? Do you count all training injuries and weight cut failures as wins for the other fights.

Using the Tarec win is the funniest part though, by your metrics... we can count his loss against Marquardt against him, using Marquardts current status as a fighter and immediately remove Woodley from the top ten rankings. But regardless of that, beating Hendricks trumps all of those wins combined.

Anyway, i don't care about all this... Woodley/Lawler is a boring fight, nobody gives a shit about Woodley and everyone is really high on Thompson... who has a far better chance of beating Lawler and will undoubtedly make for a better fight.
 
#20 ·
You are counting a 2011 win over an unranked at the time Tarac Saffiedine as a reason he deserves a title shot? And an injury win over Condit... and you are counting Hendricks not making it to the fight as a win also? Do you count all training injuries and weight cut failures as wins for the other fights.
And the Lombard positive test, because that was the only other guy he could have fought in a title eliminator for a year.

Also why wouldn't Tarec count? He's ranked right now, which is more than I can say for every other person Stephen Thompson beat.



Tyron Woodley had nothing to do with that injury, what was I thinking. Carlos Condit just randomly decided to roll his knee, didn't have anything to do with a leg kick. Also that was the 2nd round...who won the first round in that fight again? Surely it must have been Carlos....

Using the Tarec win is the funniest part though, by your metrics... we can count his loss against Marquardt against him, using Marquardts current status as a fighter and immediately remove Woodley from the top ten rankings. But regardless of that, beating Hendricks trumps all of those wins combined.
Yes...Nate Marquardt coming off being fired from the UFC for cheating beating Woodley in his return fight isn't tainted at all.

Anyway, i don't care about all this... Woodley/Lawler is a boring fight, nobody gives a shit about Woodley and everyone is really high on Thompson... who has a far better chance of beating Lawler and will undoubtedly make for a better fight.
Yeah the black guy didn't earn it and we have a great white hope.

2016 MMA is starting to look a lot like 1916 Boxing.
 
#21 ·
You seem to have a very large chip on your shoulder John, id probably do something about that. Its also clearly why you want to see Woodley get the shot over anyone else. Also since you are so vocal on microaggreasions and prejudice in other threads I'll go ahead and point out that 'Yet another whiteboy' is just a little bit racist.

And LOL at the Condit gif! Condit didnt injure that knee he injured the other one, that leg kick had literally nothing to do with it... keep thinking the world is against you though
 
#29 ·
And LOL at the Condit gif! Condit didnt injure that knee he injured the other one, that leg kick had literally nothing to do with it... keep thinking the world is against you though
The spin clearly caused the injury(meniscus), he kicked out one leg and he tore the planted one. The takedown took out his ACL.

The term "great white hope" is not used for any white prospect, it was coined for when there is a black champion and the fans/media/promoters wanted a white champion, so they build up undeserving champions to fight them (consequently giving the black fighters easier fights). Comparing the treatment people like Sam Langford and Jack Johnson (among others) had to go through to *this*... is outright disgraceful, it insults and degrades the black fighters of the past.

Your "UFC is racist" rants are pathetic if you are comparing them to boxers from those eras, research the shit you are making comparisons too.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/great+white+hope

Noun 1. great white hope - someone (or something) expected to achieve great success in a given field; "this company is the great white hope of the nuclear industry's waste management policy"
white hope
hope - someone (or something) on which expectations are centered; "he was their best hope for a victory"
http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/great-white-hope
great white hope
Something or someone that is expected to succeed.

For example, Mark is the great white hope of the international division. This expression dates from the early 1900s, when heavyweight boxing champion Jack Johnson, who was black, seemed invincible and the term was used for any white opponent who might defeat him. It gained currency as the title of a Broadway play and later (1970) a film. By then it had been transferred to anyone of whom much was expected.

When deciding who should be the next contender, i normally like to go back to the previous loss they suffered, Woodley's two fights since being dominated by the man in your avatar does not stack up well to Thompson's 6 fight winning streak, ending with Jake Ellenberger (who by your metric was a top 5 win) and Johnny Hendricks.
1.) My metric is currently ranked fighters, which Jake Ellenberger is not.

But let's count Ellenberger using the metric you thought I used, lucky for you Fight Matrix has a nifty little archive function

www.fightmatrix.com/

Carlos Condit was at #2 when he fought Woodley
Johny Hendricks was at #2 when he fought Thompson

Josh Koscheck was at #8 when he fought Woodley
Jake Ellenberger was at #18 when he fought Thompson

Stun Gun was at #13
Patrick Cote was at #33

Kelvin Gastelum was at #12
Robert Whitaker was at #77

Jay Hieron was at #16
Chris Clements was at #74

Jordan Mein was at #20
Nah-Shon Burrell was at #198

Paul Daley was at #13
Dan Stittigen was at #391

And Tarec's win that was such a joke, you know where he was ranked when he fought Woodley, #41

But yeah losing to #2 Rory #7 Marquardt and #10 Shields is so much worse than losing to #66 Matt Brown

Not when you got that sweet Stittigen and Burrell wins


Anyone else find it ironic that John is looking for a Great Black Hope?
I'm not looking for a "great black hope", I don't care if Woodley wins or loses. My problem is with sycophants like you who cheer on fighters getting screwed over. He was put on the shelf for a year by the UFC they then promised him a title shot, and you people are rooting for them to take it away.
 
#22 ·
Number of black guys in the UFC top 16 at Welterweight - 2
Number of Asian guys in the UFC top 16 at Welterweight - 1
Number of hispanic/whatever Brazilian tanned guys are in the UFC top 16 at Welterweight - 2
Number of white guys in the UFC top 16 at Welterweight - 11

Conclusion:- UFC is racist as hell for not having more non white guys fight for the title.


Although I disagree about the Condit fight. If I'm correct, Condit was losing in every aspect in the fight and then Woodley shot for a takedown and it injured Condit's leg. I believe Condit injured his leg half way through the second round so it's a bit much to take that win completely away for Woodley.
 
#28 ·
Yea John has had too much time on his hands and/or gets waaaay too dmt'd into it with his mathmatical quations rather than responding opinions.

I dont understand why Woodley has the more deserving record really. I mean its close but not sure why people are even giving him that much.

Wonderboy was very green coming jnto the UFC yet went 7-1 in the ufc losing only ince in his whole career actually to Matt Brown in his 7th pro fight. On his 6 fight win streak he has 4 finishes. Finishing Whittaker a now MW who is considered a very above level striker himself.....winning his last 4 fights after getting KOd by Wonderboy.

Add a KO of what most people pegged an easy top 3 WW.....that is like KOing Rory almost and not getting pushed to the top......oh wait Aood got that high ranked fight and looked like straight ass. His 2 fight win streak included Stun Gun and a fat Kelvin by Split Decision!!!!

Yes he was beating Condit for 1 round. Congrats. Throw out a Condit blown knee and his wins are as follows........

Fat Kelvin by Split

STUN gun TKO

Lost bad and sad when got that big fight.

Beat a passed his prime Kos who was already a punching bag.

Loss to Shields in a close by crap fight.

Beat Jay Heiron.

KOd by Marquardt.

A 22 year old Jordan Mein by Split

Paul no ground Daley

Saff which is a solid win but lets not act like he was ranked anywhere near top 10 at the time.
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Not saying Wood doesnt have a very respectable record. But I see nothing much that makes his so much better than Wonderboy's........like said previously.....they ahould just fight for it as neither is getting bext anyway.

Perhaps Wood is stirring some beef to sell a match and his name. Because if not he is delusional. Wood has lost every level jump he gets. Fat Kelvin many people had winning even. In shape Kelvin wins that fight. What are Woods 2 defining wins if he is saying Wonderboy has 1 top win vs a guy who is.....excuse here.....excuse there....
 
#30 ·
The way you were using "great white hope" is clearly racial... So you are saying you were just saying much is expected of Thompson, and its nothing to do with him being right? Well sure, we agree on that, Thompson is a far better prospect than Woodley. But i think the true meaning of the term is a better way to go...

We don't go as far back as you do, otherwise we would be handing out title shots to people like Dan Henderson and Shogun, we go by recent fights dating back to the last loss, the last loss halts the momentum gained before that, unless its controversial.

You still greatly disregard the struggles of men like Sam Langford... While trying so hard to defend the people of color you ignorantly disrespect those that truly struggled, good job John.
 
#32 ·
Condit certainly never deserved his title shot, Woodley deserved it over him... But beating Hendricks is a hell of a way to steal a title shot away, you could argue Hendricks was still the number 1 WW in the world, many scored his rematch against Lawler in his favor.
 
#33 ·
If Woodley stopped bitching, we could see this:-

Condit Vs Lawler 2 (Everyone wants it apparently)
Woodley Vs Maia (Woodley has every advantage)
Thompson Vs MacDonald

Woodley fights the winner of Condit/Lawler, the winner of Thompson and MacDonald fight a little bit after Woodley/Maia and sit out until they get the winner.
 
#35 ·
Having every advantage doesn't mean is better at everything. Werdum has every striking advantage over Roy Nelson, doesn't mean he has a better overhand right.

With the striking ability and wrestling pedigree of Woodley, a fight against Maia is exactly what he should be looking for. Keep it standing and outstrike an inferior wrestler. But instead he'll run away and look only for the big fight and get leap frogged by everyone else.
 
#37 ·
Every time you post you embarrass yourself and your country.

Hey look, "every" became "every" again.

I suppose I'll finally be the one to crumble. I reckoned after your last warnings and the ban you were going to shape up but your ridiculous fanatical insanity when it comes to Brazilian fighters, mixed with your relentless posts regarding rivals of Brazilians (McGregor, Rousey)...I will finally just concede and add you to the block list. I was avoiding it for a while since the site can use all the MMA conversation it can get but your constant bitchiness has reached boiling point to where you don't even have people agreeing with you anymore. Don't worry about your reply with a ":confused02:" smilie, it won't be seen.
 
#40 ·
I think it's a bit unfair considering he's already beat two of those guys (in shape Kelvin just being Kelvin :D) but if he had those back to back fights I wouldn't be surprised to see him lose any of them, meaning I wouldn't be surprised if he went 0-7 against them. Welterweight is a bizarre as hell division these days. I'd say Rory is probably the best all rounder but Lawler is a hell of a fight for him to overcome.
 
#41 ·
According to Maia and Lombard - Woodley has been offered fights with both since beating Kelvin and rejected both fights. To me that's another reason for him not to be considered the number one guy - turning down fights that make complete sense makes it look like he isn't confident. It's a sahme because if he had taken either of those fights and won - he'd be clear cut number 1 contender and definitely be getting the next shot at Lawler.
 
#42 ·
According to Maia and Lombard - Woodley has been offered fights with both since beating Kelvin and rejected both fights. To me that's another reason for him not to be considered the number one guy - turning down fights that make complete sense makes it look like he isn't confident.
That's the reason I have to jump when I see people still talking Nate Diaz or Nick Diaz for potential title shots. Guys stayed on their sofas smoking weed while many fights were going on. You being inactive for being injured is bad enough, but a fighter that choses not to fight for so long... I can't sympathise with that.
 
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