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To roughly quote Dana; female fighters will never fight in the UFC.
And what has this got to do with anything.

"It's kind of sad that Demetrious Johnson has this thing hanging over his head, he's not this, he's not that. He does everything the exact way he's supposed to. He comes in with a game plan and follows it to the letter. He's just one of these guys that has to put his head down, keep doing his thing and you have to respect him." - Dana White

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I disagree. This entire fiasco came to be from Dana doing what he thinks you/we want. I seriously question the amount of fan interest there will be after he loses to Nate. What's the point in that fight then? Just trying to fabricate something?

if that fight still happens i think it will backfire on the UFC because they will no longer be able to justify their ridiculous promotion of goober.

If goober loses to Nate he's not a LW contender he's just a FW who can't make weight.
The fan interest will not dwindle at all. Guys like you and I will question it, But come on mate, you've been around this business long enough to know the fans will make excuses and the UFC will spin it and we'll see Conor v RDA @ 200.

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The fight should be fun, no doubt, but it is ridiculous being a main event when we have a belt being disputed in the same card. This is what I mean about entertainment going over the sport and lets face it, whoever buys this PPV or goes to the fight will do it regardless of this fight being a main or co-main event, so money wise won't be a difference for UFC, so why not respect the only Champion putting her belt on the line by giving her and her challenger the main event?
Oh stop. Really you are going to be this guy?

Who wabts Conor/Nate to be 3 rounds?

So we get 2 5 round fights instead of 1. Who the F cares what order they are? You are really upset over what order you watch the fights?

Just stop. Dont be that guy.
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And what has this got to do with anything.

"It's kind of sad that Demetrious Johnson has this thing hanging over his head, he's not this, he's not that. He does everything the exact way he's supposed to. He comes in with a game plan and follows it to the letter. He's just one of these guys that has to put his head down, keep doing his thing and you have to respect him." - Dana White

The above quote has no bearing on this discussion, but since Clyde is throwing out random stuff, I thought I would too.

The fan interest will not dwindle at all. Guys like you and I will question it, But come on mate, you've been around this business long enough to know the fans will make excuses and the UFC will spin it and we'll see Conor v RDA @ 200.

You mentioned a Dana White quote before Conor McGregor was ever a factor. Thing change. Before Rousey was a factor, women were never to compete in the UFC. Now you want them to main event over the biggest draw on the roster. You want the UFC to change their rules by making Conor McGregor Vs Nate Diaz a 5 round non main event fight, but at the same time condemn the UFC for changing their rules and putting it in the main event.

The fan interest may not dwindle, but that's like saying "Why do they need Conor big on this poster, heavy in this video, lights out on the prelims, to star on Conan". It's all part of everything. Conor Vs Aldo above Luke and Chris made that fight that big more special. Do I give a fk? No. I don't care if it's first fight on the prelims, actually, how awesome would that be? Conor Vs Nate at midnight. But I'm not going to act like marketing and perception isn't a big factor. I had people flipping their shit at me cause 4 months ago I questioned how the UFC are actually promoting Sage Northcutt (cause they barely even put him on TV outside of Looking for a Fight) and told me I didn't understand marketing. Well I guess I'm "learning", cause putting a fight on the main event or co main event is a big statement about it's magnitude.

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People should care whether the fight is Main Event or not? Do you want to see MMA become main stream or would you rather people point at it and laugh.

You don't see a Gold Medallist stand at the bottom of the platform and get their medal first. You don't see the 3rd spot in the world cup final played after the actual final. The UFC wants to be seen as a legitimate sport, how are you going to be seen as a legitimate sport when you don't act like a legitimate sport.
It has gotten mainstream enough for me. The sport has only gotten worse the more mainstream it get. Give me back my stacked cards, personalities, sponsor filled shorts over watered down cards, internet subs, black and white uniforms. Give me back my niche sport that I found interesting where I could talk to a few hardcore fans rather than a bunch of new fan morons trying to form an uneducated opinion as if they know what they are talking about.

Mainstream music sucks. Mainstream MMA sucks.

By the way.....wouldn't Conor staying Main Event be the more mainstream thing to do? Promoting a girl fight is more of a hardcore idea since mainstream doesn't give a rip about Holm or Tate. So really they are keeping it mainstream by keeping Conor as the whole show.
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You mentioned a Dana White quote before Conor McGregor was ever a factor. Thing change. Before Rousey was a factor, women were never to compete in the UFC. Now you want them to main event over the biggest draw on the roster. You want the UFC to change their rules by making Conor McGregor Vs Nate Diaz a 5 round non main event fight, but at the same time condemn the UFC for changing their rules and putting it in the main event.
Has your local off license got a happy hour on or something? Where did I say that I wanted it to be a 5 round fight?

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The fan interest may not dwindle, but that's like saying "Why do they need Conor big on this poster, heavy in this video, lights out on the prelims, to star on Conan". It's all part of everything. Conor Vs Aldo above Luke and Chris made that fight that big more special. Do I give a fk? No. I don't care if it's first fight on the prelims, actually, how awesome would that be? Conor Vs Nate at midnight. But I'm not going to act like marketing and perception isn't a big factor. I had people flipping their shit at me cause 4 months ago I questioned how the UFC are actually promoting Sage Northcutt (cause they barely even put him on TV outside of Looking for a Fight) and told me I didn't understand marketing. Well I guess I'm "learning", cause putting a fight on the main event or co main event is a big statement about it's magnitude.
Theres a difference between promoting and damaging the integrity of the Sport. Having Conor as the co-main event means nothing, he won't lose any popularity and the card will sell just as well. But for a company that desperately wants to become mainstream, having an exhibition match as Main Event over an actual title fight, that has actual ramifications for the rest of the division, does not seem like the correct route to go in the quest for legitimisation.

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Mainstream music sucks. Mainstream MMA sucks.
I don't see you posting very often about Victory, Legacy, RFA, Pancrase etc.


For someone who is very against mainstream MMA, you don't seem to be a big underground MMA fan. Or is Legacy too big for you? Is the highest level of mainstream you go videos of Alex Caceres and Jorge Masvidal fighting in fields or something? Is Tank Abbot your favourite current MMA fighter?

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Has your local off license got a happy hour on or something? Where did I say that I wanted it to be a 5 round fight?



Theres a difference between promoting and damaging the integrity of the Sport. Having Conor as the co-main event means nothing, he won't lose any popularity and the card will sell just as well. But for a company that desperately wants to become mainstream, having an exhibition match as Main Event over an actual title fight, that has actual ramifications for the rest of the division, does not seem like the correct route to go in the quest for legitimisation.
Wow wow wow wow wow....you DON'T want it to be a 5 round fight? Why the fk not? What possible negative does Conor Vs Nate in 5 rounds possess?

As johny said before, what is the possible downside of having TWO 5 round big fights?


If Conor being in the co main event changes nothing, it doesnt harm popularity or anything like that...surely Holly and Miesha being in the co main event cant harm popularity or anything either?

Basically, you want to sacrifice some PPV buys for something that means nothing.

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It has gotten mainstream enough for me. The sport has only gotten worse the more mainstream it get. Give me back my stacked cards, personalities, sponsor filled shorts over watered down cards, internet subs, black and white uniforms. Give me back my niche sport that I found interesting where I could talk to a few hardcore fans rather than a bunch of new fan morons trying to form an uneducated opinion as if they know what they are talking about.

Mainstream music sucks. Mainstream MMA sucks.

By the way.....wouldn't Conor staying Main Event be the more mainstream thing to do? Promoting a girl fight is more of a hardcore idea since mainstream doesn't give a rip about Holm or Tate. So really they are keeping it mainstream by keeping Conor as the whole show.
Agree 100% with your first paragraph.

Personally, I like a bit of structure amongst the chaos, like title fights to be main events. I think it sucks for Holly and Meisha to be playing second fiddle to cross division emergency match. Don't get me wrong, props to Conor for accepting when most would have said 'fck it', but that still doesn't change the fact that he is not fighting for a title and should not be ahead of a title fight on the same card.

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Nate is one of the best boxers in the UFC technique wise. However this doesn't always translate into an effective style and technique for MMA and he has got f**ked up a few times because of this.
The best boxing stance leaves the front leg badly exposed, and after listening to Baz Rutten talk about how the dutch kickboxers won fights back in the day with low kicks alone that were fu**ing up all the american kickboxers legs that hadnt been used to low kicks Im convinved Nate's stance is never going to win him any titles because its too easy to gameplan against.
Only in the MJ fight did he start to check kicks - some of them - but is there a proper check for an oblique kick yet? Maybe Im wrong but I can't think of one. And with Conors Karateish in and out stance I dont think Diaz's reach is going to be enough to counter the sharp low kicks and oblique kicks.
Is Conor a leg kick guy though? He doesn't win by breaking you down with kicks. He keeps u moving and defending with his kicks and throws wild stuff out there. But either way low kicks won't beat Diaz....people have targeted his front leg his hole career.

As for other kicks I do feel like Nate's distance control will help his cause a bunch. He is very good at judging distance....he has too as he isn't explosive or fast. Conor can chance guys like Mendes and Siver down and kick them. Nate is going to stand right there and hit you or move out of range with some footwork. No guy Conor has fought had the ability to stand there and hit him with hands from range. They were most all short, limited footwork, won't hit you in the pocket sort of fighters. Ones who would run away from strikes rather than slip/move just out of range....while returning a 1-2.

Speed/reaction may do him in. That is where boxing doesn't always translate into a MMA fight. Sometimes athleticism trumps technique.....Conor will be faster and also has technique himself. But I do think if Nate doesn't come out flat then he will find distance and use it well.

Nate has to be patient which he is many times. Similar to Nick and Anderson.....I doubt his plan is to go in and try to KO Conor quick. People thought oh Nick will get KO'd he is perfect for Anderson....and he wasn't close to being KOd. Nate isn't Nick and sometimes you don't fight the way you plan to. But I see nothing from Conor's other fights that have much to do with this one. We know what Conor is.....but Nate fights totally different Conor feeds off aggressive fighters who throw wide shots.....Nate is the opposite of that.
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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^All of that.

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