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#1 ·
here's what mmaweekly.com has for top 10.

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Mirko Cro Cop
4. Josh Barnett
5. Randy Couture
6. Gabriel Gonzaga
7. Tim Sylvia
8. Andrei Arlovski
9. Fabricio Werdum
10. Aleksander Emelianenko

Now not only till lately that this has more ufc fighters (it used to be dominated by pride fighers).

my question is WHY.. why is the top 4 (and 6/10) all from pride?. Now before all you fedor/nogueira/crocop nuthuggers jump all over me, read on and let me state my case for debate. (for the record, i love fedor and crocop, but with crocop's recent loss, i start to question the validity of pride fighter's skill level. so i thought i'd start a good debate on this thread)

#1 Fedor - who did he beat to get #1?
Nogueira - nogueira dominated pride for 2 years or so? beating people that got kicked out of ufc the likes of kevin randleman and crocop
Crocop - got DOMINATED twice in a row by two "unknown" ufc fighters
Fujita - got owned by monson.
Randleman - got destroyed in ufc by everyone

who did fedor beat that did well in the ufc?

#2 Nogueira - why is he #2?

Is it because he dominated pride for like 2 years? then why is wanderlei silva not #1 then?
nogueira beat several mma stars such as...
Crocop - which got dominated twice in a row in ufc
hearring - which looked like a fool on his first ufc fight (until he started fighting complete n00bs in the non-aired bouts). and hearing actually almost beat nogueira on their ufc fight.

who did nogueira beat that did well in the ufc?

#3 Crocop - i love this guy, but WHY is he #3?
before his fights in the ufc, who did he beat in the heavyweight that was a contender in the ufc? and when he finally moved to the ufc for "better challenges" he got destroyed twice by 2 no-names.

#4 - Barnett - seriously, wtf is this guy doing here?
crocop destroyed him like 3x? and we all know what the ufc heavyweights did to crocop. i'm a little biased here, i dont like this guy, he's an ugly fighter. i consider him the tim silvia of pride.

all i'm wondering about, isn't the top 10 heavy weight a little skewed towards pride? why are pride heavy weights considered so much better than the ufc? a few of the heavyweights of pride are ufc rejects (barnett/randleman). and ALL OF THEM that came over so far are getting destroyed by virtually unknown fighters.

arlovski got like a 10 winning streak i believe. tim silvia, as much as we hate him, he's really not bad (why people like barnett are ranked over him, i'll never get). monsoon got his own little winning streak as well.

i mean if i was fedor, i'd be starting to question myself. one of his 2 most notable win is against crocop. and crocop is the highlight reel knockout of gonzaga. and Noguiera almost lost his first fight.

please don't turn this thread into a flame war. i want solid, substantial counter argument on why you think pride fighters are heavily favored on rankings. also, i'm not the mma expert and i didnt really reasearch any of this, just going by what i know, so you can point out any errors i have but do it in a constructive manner.
 
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#2 ·
I understand what you are saying, though in my mind Pride doesnt even exsist. The UFC has moved to utterly absorb it into thier orginazation. Is Pride even alive anymore? I think its gone, or being moved into extinction via absorption into the UFC. The writing is on the wall imo.

THere is the UFC and there is everything else at this point. That is why Pride fighters are signing witht he UFC.

So in light of that, yeah you got a point for sure.

It also screams to me that there needs to be 2 UFC events a month now with SOOOOOO many fighters now around
 
#5 ·
Congratulations, you're an idiot.

Fedor not #1? Haha hilarious. Noguiera not #2? Even better. You clearly have no educated perception of rankings. Also you are under the impression they are heavily favoured. You are heavily favouring the UFC fighters and ignoring the plain obvious.
Look at the list of fighters than Cro-cop Noguiera and Fedor have demolished with minimal losses. Yes cro-cop has performed badly in the UFC, it doesn't change the fact that he is an incredible fighter, he just seems to have lost the passion recently.
Just off the top of my head

Fedor : Gary.G Herring. S.schilt. Cro-cop, Noguiera x2. Mark Hunt,Coleman,Fujita,Randleman. Aswell as top fighters out of his weight class, Arona, Lindland,Sobral, sure they has a disadvantage but the fact is he has compiled wins over some incredible fighters with great achievments.

Noguiera: wow, how can you not like this guy? Wins over cro-cop, Bob sapp- ******* incredible, gary.g, Barnett, Henderson,Coleman, Werdum,Sergei,Jeremy horn. Noguiera displays the most incredible BJJ in the heavy weight division. With solid boxing, he's fought top competition and never been beaten by KO or tapout. He's incredible.

My friends have just arrived at the door, i'll edit this post later.
 
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#8 ·
first of all, fedor hasn't lost a fight in 7 years! and that fight he lost was due to an illegal elbow that opened up a cut, and since it was in a tournment they "had" to count it as a lose and not a NC.
 
#12 ·
Look at the guys Randy Couture has fought (no offense Randy fans and look how they did in Pride) Ricco lost to Nogueira, Rizzo lost to Sergei, Randleman didn't have much success outside of Ko'in Cro Cop and beating Ninja, Liddell got his ass whipped by Rampage, and Vitor got completely tooled. There is no way to argue with Fedor being #1. Randy has beaten a unproven guy in Gonzaga and a great HW with a balky back in Sylvia. and thats it 2 fights doesn't make a #1 ranking.
 
#14 ·
clintjoe316 said:
how can fedor be number 1 and hadnt fought anybody worth a crap in a couple years
In the past two years Randy has two losses chuck liddell, 1 over mike van arsdel, 1 over tim sylvia who no one seems to think is very good since he got the title, and GG who we don't really know about.
Fedor has wins over big nog, hunt and CC when he was doing very good.
Another thing to be noted is, while many of his fights are years ago, Fedor has gotten better as time goes by, not worse so we can still use past fights to judge his worth especially considering many of the fighters he beat are still the top fighters of the world.
 
#18 ·
bbjd7 said:
Look at the guys Randy Couture has fought (no offense Randy fans and look how they did in Pride) Ricco lost to Nogueira, Rizzo lost to Sergei, Randleman didn't have much success outside of Ko'in Cro Cop and beating Ninja, Liddell got his ass whipped by Rampage, and Vitor got completely tooled. There is no way to argue with Fedor being #1. Randy has beaten a unproven guy in Gonzaga and a great HW with a balky back in Sylvia. and thats it 2 fights doesn't make a #1 ranking.
yes but one could argue that randy beat the man that ko'ed cc.....this being a man that stood toe to toe with fedor....and took it the distance

i am in no way saying that randy is better than fedor....until randy fights fedor.....lol

but i would definately put him in the top 3 with cc dropping down

btw wut was gg rated before he ko'd cc??? was he even in the top 20???
 
#19 ·
this is actually a serious post and i was expecting people to kind of think "outside the box" if you can. outside the hype and justify why pride heavyweights were considered so much better than ufc heavyweights. especially when all of them that comes over puts on a lackluster performance.

Look at the guys Randy Couture has fought (no offense Randy fans and look how they did in Pride) Ricco lost to Nogueira, Rizzo lost to Sergei, Randleman didn't have much success outside of Ko'in Cro Cop and beating Ninja, Liddell got his ass whipped by Rampage, and Vitor got completely tooled.
please dont go this way. i can go on saying stuff like, ortiz beat wanderlei, lidell destroyed ortiz twice, monsoon beat fujita, tim silvia owned him, nick diaz lost like 4 of his last 5 fights in ufc and he knocked out gomi. i can go on forever with this, so to argue this way is moot.

fedor : Gary.G Herring. S.schilt. Cro-cop, Noguiera x2. Mark Hunt,Coleman,Fujita,Randleman. Aswell as top fighters out of his weight class, Arona, Lindland,Sobral, sure they has a disadvantage but the fact is he has compiled wins over some incredible fighters with great achievments
i'm looking at that list and the only person i consider really good is crocop and nogueira. arona/lindland/sobral are light heavyweights so they don't count on my book.

before the pride merger the top 3 heavy weight on pride was fedor/crocop/nogueira. for the ufc it's arlovski/silvia/couture

now how do you find out which fighters are better without them having fought the same people? fedor got champion beating a bunch of pride guys, tim silvia got champion beating a bunch of ufc guys. but when pride fighters came to the ufc they get destroyed, or when ufc fighters come to pride they end up winning. BUT YET, crocop/nogueira/fedor is still ranked over them.

you know i watched a lot of pride and i'm a big fan, and before i didnt question their rank. guys like crocop and fedor and nogueira are good no doubt. but now that they're in the ufc and been losing/putting lackluster performance. i'm starting to think that maybe their rankings are a little overhyped.
 
#20 ·
ajitator said:
here's what mmaweekly.com has for top 10.

#1 Heavyweight Fighter in the World: Fedor Emelianenko
2. Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira
3. Mirko Cro Cop
4. Josh Barnett
5. Randy Couture
6. Gabriel Gonzaga
7. Tim Sylvia
8. Andrei Arlovski
9. Fabricio Werdum
10. Aleksander Emelianenko

Now not only till lately that this has more ufc fighters (it used to be dominated by pride fighers).

my question is WHY.. why is the top 4 (and 6/10) all from pride?. Now before all you fedor/nogueira/crocop nuthuggers jump all over me, read on and let me state my case for debate. (for the record, i love fedor and crocop, but with crocop's recent loss, i start to question the validity of pride fighter's skill level. so i thought i'd start a good debate on this thread)

#1 Fedor - who did he beat to get #1?
Nogueira - nogueira dominated pride for 2 years or so? beating people that got kicked out of ufc the likes of kevin randleman and crocop
Crocop - got DOMINATED twice in a row by two "unknown" ufc fighters
Fujita - got owned by monson.
Randleman - got destroyed in ufc by everyone

who did fedor beat that did well in the ufc?

#2 Nogueira - why is he #2?

Is it because he dominated pride for like 2 years? then why is wanderlei silva not #1 then?
nogueira beat several mma stars such as...
Crocop - which got dominated twice in a row in ufc
hearring - which looked like a fool on his first ufc fight (until he started fighting complete n00bs in the non-aired bouts). and hearing actually almost beat nogueira on their ufc fight.

who did nogueira beat that did well in the ufc?

#3 Crocop - i love this guy, but WHY is he #3?
before his fights in the ufc, who did he beat in the heavyweight that was a contender in the ufc? and when he finally moved to the ufc for "better challenges" he got destroyed twice by 2 no-names.

#4 - Barnett - seriously, wtf is this guy doing here?
crocop destroyed him like 3x? and we all know what the ufc heavyweights did to crocop. i'm a little biased here, i dont like this guy, he's an ugly fighter. i consider him the tim silvia of pride.

all i'm wondering about, isn't the top 10 heavy weight a little skewed towards pride? why are pride heavy weights considered so much better than the ufc? a few of the heavyweights of pride are ufc rejects (barnett/randleman). and ALL OF THEM that came over so far are getting destroyed by virtually unknown fighters.

arlovski got like a 10 winning streak i believe. tim silvia, as much as we hate him, he's really not bad (why people like barnett are ranked over him, i'll never get). monsoon got his own little winning streak as well.

i mean if i was fedor, i'd be starting to question myself. one of his 2 most notable win is against crocop. and crocop is the highlight reel knockout of gonzaga. and Noguiera almost lost his first fight.

please don't turn this thread into a flame war. i want solid, substantial counter argument on why you think pride fighters are heavily favored on rankings. also, i'm not the mma expert and i didnt really reasearch any of this, just going by what i know, so you can point out any errors i have but do it in a constructive manner.
Barnett isnt a UFC reject, He lost 1 fight in the UFC, and KO'ed the current champion before leaving the UFC.

Randleman has had his ups and downs but saying "randleman got destroyed in the UFC by everyone" is just ignorance hes a 2 time UFC champion. And yes his record isnt impressive but he has also had bar none the toughest resume of opponents out of anyone.

shogun
cro cop x2
fedor
sakuraba
rampage
murilo rua
chuck lidell
randy couture
pedro rizzo
bas rutten
maurice smith
 
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kds13 said:
Troll job. This is ridiculous. I love the: "Fedor- Who did he beat to get to #1"

:thumbsdown:

answer: everybody.........

sorry man i just cant keep a straight face reading this

ps. on that note.. i think its important not to bash new members submitting threads ( unkess their utterly stupid)... this guy just seems new to the sport and its important to teach them instead of scaring them away from asking questions and submitting threads.
 
#23 ·
GMW said:
In the past two years Randy has two losses chuck liddell, 1 over mike van arsdel, 1 over tim sylvia who no one seems to think is very good since he got the title, and GG who we don't really know about.
Fedor has wins over big nog, hunt and CC when he was doing very good.
Another thing to be noted is, while many of his fights are years ago, Fedor has gotten better as time goes by, not worse so we can still use past fights to judge his worth especially considering many of the fighters he beat are still the top fighters of the world.
good post, Everyone dismisses randys etc just about every other fights losses years ago because they were new, and young in there career and they have come so far from where they were before. I agree with this but you also have to apply that same logic to fedor, he didnt lose back in his earlier days but he still improves upon every single fight. I believe hes at his best right now and not on the decline.
 
#24 ·
I disagree with you, but before you start waving the nuthugger banner (which seems to be getting alot of use this month) let me explain it to you.

ajitator said:
#1 Fedor - who did he beat to get #1?
Nogueira - nogueira dominated pride for 2 years or so? beating people that got kicked out of ufc the likes of kevin randleman and crocop
Crocop - got DOMINATED twice in a row by two "unknown" ufc fighters
Fujita - got owned by monson.
Randleman - got destroyed in ufc by everyone

who did fedor beat that did well in the ufc?
We're talking about a guy who dominated everyone he stared down for his entire career. Firstly, who else on your list has done that?

Couture is a great fighter and he's very smart, but he got the hell beaten out of him by Liddell. He's fallible, he's mortal and it's been proven. No one has been able to make Fedor's facial expression change during a fight.

Fedor decimated 2 former K-1 champions (CroCop and Hunt), took a title from one of the most dominant title holders in history (Noguiera), beat 2 former UFC champions and dominated a division of top fighters. (not to mention the sheer magintude of the ways in which he's finished fights)

On paper, Fedor has done more than anyone else, but in reality, he's done even more. He floored a 400 pound opponent with one punch. He made one of the most explosive strikers in the world look like a new student in a karate class. He got dropped on his neck by the most explosive fighter in the world and finished him thirty seconds later.

If you're asking these questions, you don't understand.

#2 Nogueira - why is he #2?

Is it because he dominated pride for like 2 years? then why is wanderlei silva not #1 then?
nogueira beat several mma stars such as...
Crocop - which got dominated twice in a row in ufc
hearring - which looked like a fool on his first ufc fight (until he started fighting complete n00bs in the non-aired bouts). and hearing actually almost beat nogueira on their ufc fight.

who did nogueira beat that did well in the ufc?
You seem to assume that everyone in the UFC is top notch. The rules are different and cater to different fighters. (most notably, groundnpounders)

Speaking of guys who did well in the UFC, he beat Barnett, Ricco Rodriguez, Mark Coleman, Gary Goodridge and Jeremy Horn.

Wanderlei Silva isn't #1 because he did something that Nogueira has never done in his career, he got finished.

The fact is, Nogueira is a legend in the sport because he cannot be stopped. You want to talk about Herring, the Heath Herring that used to be an internationally known fighter destroyed guys better than half of the UFC heavyweight division, a division that, for the most part, is filled with cans that the UFC feeds to up-and-comers like Gonzaga. That's not to say Gonzaga isn't good, but let's be real, Gonzaga has one major win in his career.

#3 Crocop - i love this guy, but WHY is he #3?
before his fights in the ufc, who did he beat in the heavyweight that was a contender in the ufc? and when he finally moved to the ufc for "better challenges" he got destroyed twice by 2 no-names.
You're another person taking away from his opponents. I think that CroCop doesn't have this ranking anymore, and has probably slid down to 6 or 7, but after the Gonzaga loss it was pretty well considered that he would come back strong. Obviously, it didn't pan out that way.

Still, he's a great fighter.

#4 - Barnett - seriously, wtf is this guy doing here?
crocop destroyed him like 3x? and we all know what the ufc heavyweights did to crocop. i'm a little biased here, i dont like this guy, he's an ugly fighter. i consider him the tim silvia of pride.
Barnett was one of the dominant fighters in one of the greatest divisions in the history of the UFC, the heavyweight division with Rizzo, Rodriguez and Couture. Personally, Barnett has sustained his ability and his power throughout his career and has improved technically while getting off of the 'roids.

CroCop was a bad matchup for him, and we are talking about a different CroCop in territory where he was comfortable.

Still, your arguments make sense, I just don't agree with them.
 
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