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Old 09-10-2007, 07:01 PM   #11 (permalink)
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Quinton Jackson = Pride fighter....It seems like alot of people forgot that when the UFC tried to make this whole event look like UFC vs PRIDE. No ones taking away from Jacksons skill but the reality is Hendos natural weight class is middleweight and I agree with you he is one of the top 205ers but that dosent take away from the truth that hes a natural middleweight. So if you want people to stop Nuthugging on former pride fighters get off Quintons nuts.
The most sensible post I've read on here yet. Great post guy.
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Old 09-10-2007, 08:52 PM   #12 (permalink)
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Alot of people have been diminishing Rampages achievement of beating Hendo by saying "He beat a Middleweight".

This is really pissing me off as people are taking away Rampage's skill and not admitting he's an awesome fighter.

There were more bets on Hendo to win than Rampage before the fight, therefore alot of people must consider Hendo a serious force at LHW and not just some Middleweight.

I didnt hear anyone reffering to Hendo as just a Middleweight when he KTFO of Wandy, did you?

Hendo IMO is the second best at 205 in the world and the 1st or 2nd best middleweight in the world. Yes Hendo is more naturally suited to fighting at 185 but that doesnt stop him beefing up to 204 and being an excellent LHW fighter.

People need to stop saying that Rampage is over rated, stop nut hugging the pride superstars and realise that Rampage has greatly improved and is the real ******* deal.

People are saying Shogun is going to destroy Rampage again but those same people said that about Hendo and guess what Rampage beat him decisivly.

People need to realise they cant have the best of both worlds and before a fight say Rampage is gunna get KTFO and then after a fight say winning was no achievement cos he was against a MW.

MAKE UP YOUR MINDS AND STOP NUT HUGGING PRIDE FIGHTERS!

yeah man. i was about to make the same post. Hendo is 6FT tall. he can be LHW or MW. in both weight classes, he can be the top man, so it doesnt matter. i also dont like the excuses the pride nut huggers are making. even though rampageis pride, evryone wants wandy, shogun, or hendo to be the star, so there getting mad that rampage is gonna knock them all out. they can make there excuses, but when rampage beats shogun, im gonna rub it in all there faces
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:03 AM   #13 (permalink)
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The reasons im not considering Rampage a pride fighter are as follows.

1. He was the first ex Pride guy to come over to the UFC and has 3 fights and is now the UFC champ.

2. He was not under Pride contract at the time, infact he hadnt fought in Pride for a while and had several fights with another organisation. THE UFC BOUGHT RAMPAGES CONTRACT FROM ANOTHER ORGANISATION, NOT PRIDE.

3. When im refering to pride nuthugging im not reffering to all pride fighters. Im reffering to the top Pride guys who are having their first fight in the UFC e.g. Hendo and Shogun.

Did anyone consider Quintin a pride fighter when he got dropped from Pride and started fighting in a smaller organisation in the US? I doubt it.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:19 AM   #14 (permalink)
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I do consider Page a PRIDE fighter. Not to take anything away from him in the UFC. Hell, he's the only PRIDE fighter to do anything since coming over.

I'm going to go ahead and say it. If, and that's a big IF, Shogun gets past Forrest (which I'm still calling for Forrest to win that fight), He'll lose to Rampage.

Rampage is just fighting at another level right now. In his last four fights he's beaten Liddell, Hendo, and Lindland.

Shogun is not fighting anywhere near the same calibar of fighters right now and is not used to 25 minute fights.

Page controled Hendo, on the ground and a lot of the clinch. Page's stand up is WAY better then Shogun's and I don't really care about that loss almost three years ago, he's actually training now.

I see Page winning this fight before the third round starts. If he's willing to come at Hendo (who's actually known to have KO power, and is a friend of his) the way he did in his last fight. How do you think he's gonna come at Shogun??? It's won't e a mental staredown for that fight, he'll really have the hatred in his eyes.

Feel free to pull this up IF I'm wrong about the Forrest fight and these to actually meet for the belt.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:26 AM   #15 (permalink)
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I completly agree with you. I think forrest will be a extremly hard fight for Shogun and ive bet on forrest to take it. I also think Rampage would destroy Shogun in a rematch. As long as he's learned to defend against that damn clinch. Seriosly he needs to ring up Rich Franklin and ask if he can give a few pointers about defending against the clinch.
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Old 09-11-2007, 10:51 AM   #16 (permalink)
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The reasons im not considering Rampage a pride fighter are as follows.
okay lets see how these stand up.

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1. He was the first ex Pride guy to come over to the UFC and has 3 fights and is now the UFC champ.
Anderson Silva, Heath Herring anyone? Silva was fighting for Cage Rage, and Herring for K-1 and yet like Ramp they were promoted as Pride fighters cuz that is where they built up their fan base.

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2. He was not under Pride contract at the time, infact he hadnt fought in Pride for a while and had several fights with another organisation. THE UFC BOUGHT RAMPAGES CONTRACT FROM ANOTHER ORGANISATION, NOT PRIDE.
It was the WFA and had like one fight there against Lindland. Again he had most of his fights and is known for his time in Pride.

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3. When im refering to pride nuthugging im not reffering to all pride fighters. Im reffering to the top Pride guys who are having their first fight in the UFC e.g. Hendo and Shogun.
Well one could argue that heath herring was a top Pride guy and hendo has fought in the UFC before, granted its been a long time, he still did. I will give you Shogun.

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Did anyone consider Quintin a pride fighter when he got dropped from Pride and started fighting in a smaller organisation in the US? I doubt it.
The real question is did anyone care? Nope, it wasn't till he got signed to UFC anyone cared about him.

I understand and see your logic but think its flawed. As for Hendo how many fights did he have at 205 vs. 185? I am just curious.

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Seriosly he needs to ring up Rich Franklin and ask if he(Griffin) can give a few pointers about defending against the clinch.
That would imply Franklin didn't destoryed in the clinch by a former chute boxe guy, or were you joking, I can really tell.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:24 AM   #17 (permalink)
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That was a joke, sarcasm doesnt translate to well in text I guess. I used Rich as an example specifically because he got demolished by a chute box guy, im not a noob or an idiot. As for Silva he wasnt promoted as a Pride guy, he was just promoted as an excellent international fighter. Silva IMO is definitly not a pride fighter. Also heath herring is definitly not a top pride guy, not at all.
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That was a joke, sarcasm doesnt translate to well in text I guess. I used Rich as an example specifically because he got demolished by a chute box guy, im not a noob or an idiot. As for Silva he wasnt promoted as a Pride guy, he was just promoted as an excellent international fighter. Silva IMO is definitly not a pride fighter. Also heath herring is definitly not a top pride guy, not at all.
I figured it was but wasn't sure.

herring I think a lot of Pride fans could make a case for. he did fight, bib nog, cro cop, fedor so maybe he was a punching bag.

As for Silva that is why Leben was saying he was going to send him back Japan in the pre fight interview. and I remember Rogan talking about him in Pride.
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#1 I understand why some think Rampage will beat Shogun in a rematch I compeltly disagree since he used to train with a Muay Thai guy and he couldn't teach Rampage how to defend the clinch so how will Juanito. Plus on the ground Rampage vs Shogun isn't even a fair fight.

#2 Henderson is a MW just like if Rich Franklin moved up to LHW and fought someone people would consider him a MW in fact Franklin size wise is huge compared to Henderson.

#3 Their is no way Rampage is a UFC guy. UFC fans were trashing Rampage and Pride fans for giving him a chance against Chuck 6 months ago.
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Hey I agree, Hendo could have a lot of success at LHW. Im sure Hendo would destroy the likes of Liddell, Ortiz, Rashad, Lambert, ect ect..
Man, I can't believe you just categorized Chuck with them. Seems like since his loss to Rampage hes now a nobody It saddens me, I'll disregard Tito for you Tito fans, I still thinks hes decent, not so bad to be categorized with him. Although I do think Chuck would beat Hendo.

I think Henderson would still do good though at 205 regardless, although I think 185 is better suited for him. People are saying Rampage beat a middleweight because he did, not diminishing his accomplishment but it would be foolish to say his strength didn't play a huge part in the wrestling game.

Still a very impressive win.
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