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Old 09-10-2007, 11:48 PM   #21 (permalink)
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I would disagree Couture fans always talk about how what makes Randy great is his gameplans well going in to the semis and finals of a fight your gameplan isn't going to be as solid natural talent takes over in fact you can easily make the arguement that the most Athletic and skilled fighter seems to win not the smartest. 2003 MWGP Wanderlei Silva best athlete in the tournament. 2004 HWGP - Fedor best fighter . 2005 MWGP - Shogun best athlete. 2006 OWGP - Cro Cop most skilled striker. Their is no debating that Couture isn't the most atheltic or skilled fighter at anything so I feel his style would be hampered by a system that rewards rare athletism and a strong skill.

???? I don't know any Couture fans (or, frankly, intelligent MMA fans) that would claim Randy doesn't have rare skill and athleticism. I'm actually pretty surprised anyone would suggest this. His gameplans are what allows him to beat people so much bigger and younger than him, he is still incredibly strong and athletic for his age, and his skills are off the charts.
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???? I don't know any Couture fans (or, frankly, intelligent MMA fans) that would claim Randy doesn't have rare skill and athleticism. I'm actually pretty surprised anyone would suggest this. His gameplans are what allows him to beat people so much bigger and younger than him, he is still incredibly strong and athletic for his age, and his skills are off the charts.
He didn't claim he was not athletic or skillful but he doesn't have a high enough combination of the two to beat someone like Big nog without time to make an appropriate game plan.
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???? I don't know any Couture fans (or, frankly, intelligent MMA fans) that would claim Randy doesn't have rare skill and athleticism. I'm actually pretty surprised anyone would suggest this. His gameplans are what allows him to beat people so much bigger and younger than him, he is still incredibly strong and athletic for his age, and his skills are off the charts.
Yes but would you compare his athleticism to Shogun or Wanderlei in his prime because those are the guys who have won GP and The other two winners won by being a world class striker in Cro Cop and Fedor won his GP by using amazing ground skills and then pounding the crap out of Nogueira. Randy doesn't have the sthleticism of a Shogun or Wanderlei to push the pace so fast it gives him an unfair advantage. and he doesn't have a certain skill like Fedor or Cro Cop to fall back on.
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Yes but would you compare his athleticism to Shogun or Wanderlei in his prime because those are the guys who have won GP and The other two winners won by being a world class striker in Cro Cop and Fedor won his GP by using amazing ground skills and then pounding the crap out of Nogueira. Randy doesn't have the sthleticism of a Shogun or Wanderlei to push the pace so fast it gives him an unfair advantage. and he doesn't have a certain skill like Fedor or Cro Cop to fall back on.
I really have to disagree, Randy is a monster athlete. I don't even think its necessary to talk about his age because I think his athleticism lets him hang with people much younger than him as if he were their age (see Gonzaga, Sylvia, Vitor, Tito, Rizzo). I also disagree that he has no certain skill, he has world-class wrestling and dirty boxing to fall back on. His biggest problems have traditionally been with people much larger than him, and he seems to have found the strategy to make it possible to win that fight.

I think he is being underestimated once again, and I'm sure he'd think that's great, he loves to be in that position and I like to watch him fight from there. I think he'd beat Crocop or Big Nog today. Fedor I believe would beat him, but it would be a decision and not a stoppage.
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I really have to disagree, Randy is a monster athlete. I don't even think its necessary to talk about his age because I think his athleticism lets him hang with people much younger than him. I also disagree that he has no certain skill, he has world-class wrestling and dirty boxing to fall back on.
He is a great athlete you are misunderstanding what bbjd7 is saying. he's just not AS athletic as the likes of shogun or others.
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I would disagree Couture fans always talk about how what makes Randy great is his gameplans well going in to the semis and finals of a fight your gameplan isn't going to be as solid natural talent takes over in fact you can easily make the arguement that the most Athletic and skilled fighter seems to win not the smartest. 2003 MWGP Wanderlei Silva best athlete in the tournament. 2004 HWGP - Fedor best fighter . 2005 MWGP - Shogun best athlete. 2006 OWGP - Cro Cop most skilled striker. Their is no debating that Couture isn't the most atheltic or skilled fighter at anything so I feel his style would be hampered by a system that rewards rare athletism and a strong skill.
Randy's not athletic enough or have enough strong skills? come on. i can't even respond seriously to that.
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He is a great athlete you are misunderstanding what bbjd7 is saying. he's just not AS athletic as the likes of shogun or others.
why isn't he as athletic? i don't see anything in Shogun that tells me his athletism is better than Randy's.
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I love how everyone is picking Nog or Shogun seeing how they have a combined 1 fight in the UFC. For your guys sake, let's not help they are complete busts like there predecessor.

I'd take Couture, Gonzaga, or Vera. I see them as the top 3 HWs aside from Nog and I'll take them after seeing Nog's unimpressive debut.
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i can not go against randy he has proved me wrong twice
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Randy's not athletic enough or have enough strong skills? come on. i can't even respond seriously to that.
I guess you guys don't understand what I'm saying so I will try again.

Dirty Boxing unlike superior striking and Submission skills takes a lot of time to win a fight. While Cro Cop and Fedor can end a fight at any second Couture dirty boxing doesn't really do that. By skills I mean Power, Submissions ways to end fights. Couture doesn't have any ways to end a fight quickly.

When talking about him not being as Athletic as Shogun or Wanderlei. I'm talking about the way he fights. Couture doesn't push the pace he has great staminia but doesn't fight at a crazy pace that takes the other fighter out of their game he is methodical. This isn't a negative usually but in the Grand prixs being crazy athletic has shown to pay off if you push the pace look at Shogun vs Arona.
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