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Old 09-11-2007, 11:34 AM   #1 (permalink)
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Chute Box successful in the UFC?

Here's my theory with the upcoming fight between Forest Griffin and Shogun. While I think Shogun will take it, I don't see it being a walk over like it would have been in Pride. Simply because of the lack of kicks and knees on the ground.

But it goes further than that, I think with the threat of soccer kicks and knees, most Pride fighters were scared to fight Chute Box from their backs, something they will not have to worry about in the UFC. So they will no longer have to simply take knees in the clinch, something they were forced to do in Pride instead of taking the fight to the ground.

Makes it a more level playing field for sure. However I'm sure Shogun and Wandy have figured this out already and will come up with some alternative ass whooping strategy.

What do you think? Am I bananas?

Guess we'll see in a little under two weeks
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:40 AM   #2 (permalink)
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Here's my theory with the upcoming fight between Forest Griffin and Shogun. While I think Shogun will take it, I don't see it being a walk over like it would have been in Pride. Simply because of the lack of kicks and knees on the ground.

But it goes further than that, I think with the threat of soccer kicks and knees, most Pride fighters were scared to fight Chute Box from their backs, something they will not have to worry about in the UFC. So they will no longer have to simply take knees in the clinch, something they were forced to do in Pride instead of taking the fight to the ground.

Makes it a more level playing field for sure. However I'm sure Shogun and Wandy have figured this out already and will come up with some alternative ass whooping strategy.

What do you think? Am I bananas?

Guess we'll see in a little under two weeks
Good post, I agree with you for the most part.

I'm sure they will be succsesful anyway.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:40 AM   #3 (permalink)
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Here's my theory with the upcoming fight between Forest Griffin and Shogun. While I think Shogun will take it, I don't see it being a walk over like it would have been in Pride. Simply because of the lack of kicks and knees on the ground.

But it goes further than that, I think with the threat of soccer kicks and knees, most Pride fighters were scared to fight Chute Box from their backs, something they will not have to worry about in the UFC. So they will no longer have to simply take knees in the clinch, something they were forced to do in Pride instead of taking the fight to the ground.

Makes it a more level playing field for sure. However I'm sure Shogun and Wandy have figured this out already and will come up with some alternative ass whooping strategy.

What do you think? Am I bananas?

Guess we'll see in a little under two weeks
your not bananas bud its a well thought out point.personally i think the chute box tool of choice in the ufc will be the clinch game just like anderson silva did to frankin
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:44 AM   #4 (permalink)
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I don't know why people think that Shogun will be at a disadvantage because of lack of being able to stomp and soccer kick. I don't know if it's just me but Shogun hasn't really finished off many opponents with Stomps or Soccer kicks except for Jackson whom he already had nearly unconcious and Diabate. Not only has he not finished off many opponents but the soccer kicks and stomps are very hard to be accurate and effective with.

Sure it would be easier if he could do it but Shogun has fought in a cage before and I'm sure he knows what to do. Shogun has some good GnP and i'm sure he's been training elbows, he'll be fine.

As for Chute Box fighters in general, they will probably rely mostly on knees from the clinch. Chute Boxe fighters are notorious for that more than they are throwing soccer kicks and flying stomps. That is what makes the Chute Boxe style of Muay thai so unique because they utilize the clinch more than in traditional or Dutch Muay Thai.

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your not bananas at all those knees are devestating on the ground for sure and as kaiser stated those knee are as effective stood up and was probably converted for ground use from their outstanding muai-thai game.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:47 AM   #6 (permalink)
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Here's my theory with the upcoming fight between Forest Griffin and Shogun. While I think Shogun will take it, I don't see it being a walk over like it would have been in Pride. Simply because of the lack of kicks and knees on the ground.

But it goes further than that, I think with the threat of soccer kicks and knees, most Pride fighters were scared to fight Chute Box from their backs, something they will not have to worry about in the UFC. So they will no longer have to simply take knees in the clinch, something they were forced to do in Pride instead of taking the fight to the ground.

Makes it a more level playing field for sure. However I'm sure Shogun and Wandy have figured this out already and will come up with some alternative ass whooping strategy.

What do you think? Am I bananas?

Guess we'll see in a little under two weeks
even though the knees/soccer kicks/ and stomps to the head of a ground opponent are illegal in the states, shoguns fight with overreem in Las Vegas proved that he doesn't need those attacks to knock an opponent out on ground.
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Old 09-11-2007, 11:55 AM   #7 (permalink)
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What about the axe kicks? you know the one where the opponent is on his back and the other guy swings his leg down in front of him (similar to how you would chop w/ an axe) and hits him the body. GSP did that to one of his opponents (it was Sherk I think) and Kongo did to Cro Cop I believe it was in the 2nd rnd of their fight. In fact I recall Rogan commenting on it. Anyway remember that or know what Im talking about?

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Old 09-11-2007, 12:00 PM   #8 (permalink)
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I think the absence of knees and soccer kicks will be more than made up by the legality of elbows that mauy thai guys can kill you with. Also as stated before he did fine at Pride 33 in Vegas against Overreem.
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What about the axe kicks? you know the one where the opponent is on his back and the other guy swings his leg down in front of him (similar to how you would chop w/ an axe) and hits him the body. GSP did that to one of his opponents (it was Sherk I think) and Kongo did to Cro Cop I believe it was in the 2nd rnd of their fight. In fact I recall Rogan commenting on it. Anyway remember that or know what Im talking about?
It was CroCop who tried to Axe Kick Kongo. I saw gsp try this a couple of times to a downed fighter..is this legal to chop down to the body of a downed fighter on his back???
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that what I was wondering? Anybody out there know?
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