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post #1 of 17 (permalink) Old 09-12-2007, 08:25 AM Thread Starter
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You know what farkin sucks about MMA?

How you can never have a definitive number one guy in the world because of how styles makes matchups (don't counting Fedor at the moment).

Think about it.

The number 3 guy in the world can lose to a number 10 guy if it's a good matchup for number 10, where number 3 would normally destroy guys ranked 4 all the way down.

A number 1 guy can lose to a number 4 guy if it's a good matchup for number 4. But the nunber 4 guy would usually lose to 2 and 3.


Check out this MMA math and see how messed up it is (forget about how they happened in the past for now):

Wanderlei beat Rampage (twice).

Wanderlei lost to Tito.

Therefore Tito is greater than Rampage.

But Tito can't be greater than Rampage, since Rampage destroyed Chuck twice and Chuck destroyed Tito twice.



Ahhhhhh.............


Forget about my MMA math for a moment and I hope you see what I'm saying.

It sucks that you can never really pinpoint who is definitively the best. A top 20 guy can beat a number 3 guy if it's a good matchup for nunmber 20.

Sucks ass eh?


I can only see it getting better in the future (like 20 years from now) when every fighter is a lot more well rounded than they are today.
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You can determine a number one fighter through averaging fights but it does necessarily mean he would beat all fighters lower ranked then him.


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You can determine a number one fighter through averaging fights but it does necessarily mean he would beat all fighters lower ranked then him.
How so. Any examples?
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True, all the "best fighter" lists are opinionated.

Although the UFC and other MMA organizations would have a ladder system which would show were they are on the contender ladder.


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hence our love for Fedor.

It's almost as if you could pick 2-10 out of a hat from a list of good fighters. But that number one spot is reserved. (heavyweight that is). The only other weight class that is similar would probably be the middleweight div.

I see what you're saying though. Some fighters are still relatively one dimensional and years from now, everyone will be more well rounded and the ranking system might be more linear.
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I think that is why we all love MMA so much.
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Point taken, but being the best in MMA (Mixed Martial Arts) is about being well rounded. MMA is a collection of a lot of disciplines and if a fighter is only good at one style (say wrestling for example), then it is his job to impose his will on his opponent. You see guys going for take downs all the time when they know their standup isn't as good as their opponents. What the opponent (striker) needs to do is learn how to sprawl so they can keep it on the feet and dominate using their better striking skills.
It's all a part of the sport to me.

The only thing that pisses me off is low blows and accidental head butts and such that have a huge impact on some fights and then after the fight is over, we don't really know who truly would have won.
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You may not have heard of this man called Fedor Emelianenko...........
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It does work like that although I find it part of the attraction. You never REALLY know who'll beat who. I suppose you could argue that most sports work the same way as different people have different techniques that work for them.
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Originally Posted by Philivey2k8
How you can never have a definitive number one guy in the world because of how styles makes matchups (don't counting Fedor at the moment).

Think about it.

The number 3 guy in the world can lose to a number 10 guy if it's a good matchup for number 10, where number 3 would normally destroy guys ranked 4 all the way down.

A number 1 guy can lose to a number 4 guy if it's a good matchup for number 4. But the nunber 4 guy would usually lose to 2 and 3.


Check out this MMA math and see how messed up it is (forget about how they happened in the past for now):

Wanderlei beat Rampage (twice).

Wanderlei lost to Tito.

Therefore Tito is greater than Rampage.

But Tito can't be greater than Rampage, since Rampage destroyed Chuck twice and Chuck destroyed Tito twice.



Ahhhhhh.............


Forget about my MMA math for a moment and I hope you see what I'm saying.

It sucks that you can never really pinpoint who is definitively the best. A top 20 guy can beat a number 3 guy if it's a good matchup for nunmber 20.

Sucks ass eh?


I can only see it getting better in the future (like 20 years from now) when every fighter is a lot more well rounded than they are today.
yes but this can happy in any one man sport.....ie golf....to bad tiger has it on lock......tenis......wut it really comes down to in ranking is averaging everything out....but keep in mind some of the greatest boxers have lost to guys with 20 to 1 odds of winning.....yet there were still ranked number one

The most solid advice I can give to anyone who fights BJ Penn is...do not motivate the guy. Lets face it, BJ although talented, is naturally lazy. Your job is to NOT convince him to step on that treadmill.
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