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Uh oh Conor Nate 2 is looking real now. At 170lbs again

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#1 ·
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...iaz-2-contracts-reportedly-issued-for-ufc-200

Failwani/Shillwani is reporting contracts have been issued. Conor wants it at 170 because he had 10 pints before he got in the ring, and he wants to prove that if he only has 5 pints instead he can beat Nate.

Poor old Frankenroid is wishing he trained a bit smarter instead of kicking walls like Tong Po to break his foot, as his payday disappears without a trace.

The only thing I feel sorry for if this happens is Nate's lead leg. Surely the gameplan will be to destroy that and go to the body....
 
#3 ·
Pride my friend, Pride.

I'm hoping it doesn't come before a fall.

Still though even if he loses, it will be so much fun enjoying the bitterness of the detractors that he still has the FW belt. Frankie fans will actually implode!
 
#5 ·
Yep, it must be pride. Didn't make sense then and doesn't make too much sense now. Down the line Conor is gonna have a helluve time cutting back to 145 again. That's what worries me. GSP once mentioned why he never wanted to moonlight at a heavier weight class alluding to RJJ's decline after he won the LHW belt against Ruiz. His timing and reflexes looked very off.

I still wish Conor would have given Nate the finger before going out as a last act of defiance rather than tap.
 
#14 ·
I think he is trying to restore his belief. When you win 15 in a row im sure you always want to rematch who you lose to. He probably feels like his mistaked cost him the fight

To be fair almost all fighters do this. I guess we will find out if he is right or not
 
#18 ·
Glad to see Nate getting another big payday.

Unless Conor works like crazy on legkicks and cardio I just don't see how he ever beats Nate. Nate took his best shots and was never even wobbled once. The only punch that seemed to cause any discomfort was a body punch. Nate with a full camp to spar should take less damage anyways. Anything can happen but I favor Nate just based on his granite chin and stamina.
 
#20 ·
Conor has to be ready to go an entire five rounds. I see a smarter fight lasting til the 4th and the same scenario can happen again UNLESS he focuses on targeting the lead leg. I said it before. Go with the Condit plan. The Diaz bros don't care, they'll stand and bang. Nick Diaz went toe to toe against Anderson...which is crazy! That has a trickle effect on his little bro. They're identical in everything pretty much. Same style, same trash talk, same demeanor, and same love for weed. Heck they both have the same customized bongs...lolz.

He doesn't have the top game that Guida or RDA has. So once again I think it's better at 155. Conor is quicker and doesn't carry as much weight. It's amazing how much those pounds slow you down w/ BJ being an example. He always won every first round at ww; Diaz, Fitch, Hughes x 3, GSP I even, then he gasses hard. At 155 BJ looked very solid cardio wise.

I want Conor to win, but I'm realistic. I don't like 170. There was a statistic a long time ago that I read intently. Most taller fighters usually beat the shorter ones if we're talking about relatively even skill sets. Same goes with the age (young vs old) as well. Ones who got knocked out previously usually lose subsequent ones, etc...etc. This was a statistic compiled over a long duration.

Here's what I see. Conor using movement to conserve energy then scoring points. If he can do this til the 4th then I see him pouring it on in the championship rounds to sway the judges and make it fan friendly too. He CAN NOT go head hunting and expend his energy again...cuz it'll be the same results.
 
#24 ·
A lot of people think he should do the Condit thing, but McGregor is way too assertive for that kind of fight. Not to mention McGregor can't really take advantage of length like Condit almost always can. I think he should do the RDA thing. Beat up Nate's leg and look to disrupt his rhythm. The tough part is Diaz showed he can eat Conor's best shots, and if we are talking about a 5 round fight I gotta think Diaz will score enough for the win on volume. He also showed his power is good enough to rock Conor so that adds another layer to the fight.
 
#29 ·
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...iaz-2-contracts-reportedly-issued-for-ufc-200

Failwani/Shillwani is reporting contracts have been issued. Conor wants it at 170 because he had 10 pints before he got in the ring, and he wants to prove that if he only has 5 pints instead he can beat Nate.

Poor old Frankenroid is wishing he trained a bit smarter instead of kicking walls like Tong Po to break his foot, as his payday disappears without a trace.

The only thing I feel sorry for if this happens is Nate's lead leg. Surely the gameplan will be to destroy that and go to the body....
Sure... this lead leg chat is not new, it was discussed before the first fight and simply did not materialize. It will not happen in the second fight.

If us lot on the internet can identify a fight-winning technique, you can bet the coaches/fighters identified it a long time before.

Nate so heavy on his lead leg, Conor has such amazing kicks...it was a typical, well rounded, soul destroying, Diaz Bro victory. Fight went everywhere, had a bit of everything, Diaz was tougher, more skilled and better conditioned, end of.

But sure, Nate has no idea where his lead leg is, so Conor's gonna win the rematch...
 
#30 ·
I am honestly 50/50 on whether he'll win the rematch. Obviously when I'm talking to Jonny im 100% certain. He did attack the lead leg in the first fight and the body, then gave up and just tried winging punches which was stupid.
Do you expect he'll make the same mistakes in the second fight as he did the first? It is likely going to be a very different fight that plays out
 
#34 ·
The rematch is not legitimate.

- If McGregor loses again, he lost in the wrong weigh class.
- If McGregor wins he proofs he can beat one of the best in that division but he did not beat a champion anyway

That loss at 170 will hurt his legacy only if he continues to fight at that weight class. That will eventually mean he becomes a 170 guy and is meisured by that standard. Why on earth does he not pick a guy at 155 to fight against?
 
#35 ·
Conor is chasing redemption that will never come.

He may well be the first UFC champ to lose two fights before defending once and dare I say losing.

So if Conor goes three and zero hows that for crushing your own brand, LOL. What a fool he is, even if he wins this his mental error's are biting him in the ass anyway.
 
#38 ·
I dont see it that way. It is a win win almost.

He loses:
- he is a hero for trying more fighters should be like him
-he bit off more than he could chew and is still the best 145er

He wins:
-people will erase the loss almost
-he is glorified for winning a fight 2 classes up even tho that is a lie really
-he cashes another huge fights and had Edgar, RDA 2 belts, Nate Diaz 3 all in his back pocket to cash in again and again.

I have said it since he wanted RDA.....145 is not a place for him much longer. He realizes that. He might be able to defend a time or 2 again but pretty soon I dont think he wants to make that cut again and again.

If he wins he is a hero. If he loses he gassed off weight again and is a brave guy for trying.

Plus its the biggest fight he can take and he wants thr biggest.
 
#37 ·
So, full camp Conor, ready to get the belt from the man who crushed Nate, got humiliated by this same no camp Nate Diaz and now they want to make full camp Conor (wasn't he fully camped before :confused02: ) vs FULL camp Nate Diaz and they expect to win this time... Well, there's always hope...

But reality is Nate Diaz will train for this fight like he never did before and he'll start throwing some more pies to McGregor's face and when he had enough, he knows he just needs to take the leprechaun to the ground and do nothing more than pretend he is going for a sub and the early tap will come to party.
 
#40 ·
It's not just win/win, but as I've written in another thread, I think from UFC business perspective it's the best fight risk/reward wise they can do:

First, McGregor probably convinced them that with some adjustment and a bit more time for acclimatisation to the weight, he can beat Diaz. Secondly, a win over Diaz would mostly erase the loss in the first fight. All the excuses suddenly become valid and they'll say the loss was just due to jumping up in weight too fast - the fans will swallow it gladly. A loss would still be "two weight classes above his weight" and therefore excusable. They know this Diaz rematch will be at least as big of a money fight as the first one if not even (much) bigger. They couldn't do this rematch if he somehow lost another fight in between at a lower weight class, which now that his mystique has a crack doesn't seem so unlikely.

They probably are afraid of a Dos Anjos fight at 155, because that's too close to "his weight class" and a loss there looks quite probable now with a loss to the #5 of that division.

Edgar looks too risky as well with his possible wrestling heavy approach.

The UFC apparently doesn't like Aldo and a loss in that rematch would be super risky. All of a sudden the 13 seconds will look like a mere fluke.

So actually, the Diaz rematch (and it beeing at 170) seems like the best option for the UFC as it leaves the most options afterwards. McGregor wins, he'll be the unstoppable superstar again and the next match will be against Dos Anjos with the possibility of GOAT formation in a two division champ ("he just beat the #5 guy and that even at a higher weight!"). McGregor loses against Diaz, ok then two weight classes were just too much, he still can legitimately fight at FW or some easier handpicked opponent at 155. In the meantime Edgar and Aldo will have to fight each other and thereby canceling out at least one big threat in the McGregor-cash-cow equation. If anyone of those two refuses to fight the other, he'll be pushed down the rankings and lose his possible title shot anyways.

So this rematch at 170 all of a sudden makes (the most) sense for the UFC.

From a "sports"-perspective of course, it does not.
 
#41 ·
I'd watch it again, though I think there's a bunch of fights I'd rather see McGregor in first. McGregor should be smart here and get this fight at 155 where Nate's advantages are less prominent, if he wins and people blame weight they can go a third time at 170 and Conor would have renewed confidence and a clearer path to victory.
 
#42 ·
I just don't get why it was such a handicap to fight at 168 with no weight cut, just pure in shape, healthy smiling.

But then they want to do it again at 170. So what will his fans say before the fight.....he won't gas? He will fight "smarter" (whatever the hell that means)?

Then after if he loses was the weight too much? I don't get it. I don't think Conor believes it had anything to do with his weight, but more how he threw.

But people thinking he will have some awesome gameplan are mistaken. WHat does Conor even do different at 145? Move a bit more? Throw more gut kicks? None of that bullshit will work vs. Nate. He had fought better kickers. Conor was using odd range and volume of kicks with guys who stayed WAAAAAY outside or guys who were T-rex and couldn't get inside but tried. He never fought that way and won vs. a guy with reach and hands. Conor's whole game is to tire/frustrate you with taxing kicks and odd timing. But how does that work vs. a guy who will be in even better shape this time....who knows and has range much more than Mendes....Siver.....a green Halloway?

Everyone acts like Conor just has this alternate style in his pocket. I'm sure he can try something else.....me you and Nate all know he isn't going to go full Condit mode on UFC 200.....a win by kick and run would get him no where but losing fans. So really he is going to come forward, maybe kick more, Nate is going to catch a front kick and take him down or he is just going to bust threw them and box him up with the 1-2 where 145ers could not and really just fought timid in those situations.

People act like "oh well Conor should have just fought like he used too" "like vs. Chad Mendes"......they forget Nate is not Chad Mendes. And really he fought not much different....some kicks to open it up and flow....then KO shots off counters or with a Nate like 1-2 to a unready opponent. Problem is every time Nate hit Conor he stunned him or stopped his movement....Nate gets off first, there is little way to counter with much. And he isn't going to chase a timid guy around either.

Nate is going to stand at a perfect range and punch him in the face whether he wants to act like a ballerina, Bada Hari , or Mike Tyson.

In my opinion, as tough as Nate is, a 1 shot ender or game changer is Conor's best method of winning. He may just have to pick his shots a little more, but still unload with the same swing. Or if he can find better defense.....but Nate 1-2s most anyone who stands with him. But maybe if Conor can slip a bit more he can open up a counter. Or try to set up a counter. Nate is tough to counter though, he knows what he is doing and sees a lot out there, gets hit but rolls with them.
 
#43 ·
I just don't get why it was such a handicap to fight at 168 with no weight cut, just pure in shape, healthy smiling.
I'd say looking at Conor's size and body type he probably had to eat alot to maintain his weight (168 was it?), naturally guys will lose weight or "Cut weight" in camp without any effort and then finish off by cutting water to make the weightclass, we were all laughing when he was talking about eating two breakfasts but I'd dare say that could do more harm than good.

I think Conor being at 155 guarantees a more physically intensive training camp and therefore should enable him to last longer than 1.5 rounds, still I don't see Nate being impacted in the same way as in his own words he doesn't have any other hobbies, he is constantly in great shape whether he has a fight lined up or not.

I see a fight at 170 going similar to the previous fight, with McGregor lasting longer but ultimately losing. At 155 I would have to give McGregor more of a chance than at 170 purely because I would expect him to be conditioned better.
 
#47 ·
I think no matter how many times he loses y'all will still be just as entertaining.

"focused on putting on muscle and strength in that last 11 days" .... what a hoot :laugh:

has Conor McGregor said anything about his performance? His excuse has got to be better than his followers.
 
#57 ·
He is saying exactly how it is, every one in the media jumped on the 2 weight classes bandwagon.

Incidentally had the thought earlier, that McGregor could have been fighting injured which is why he wants a rematch. I mention this because when one doesn't knowthe truth one can't rule out any reason.
 
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