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Old 09-17-2007, 10:04 PM   #21 (permalink)
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So other then getting caught with the head kick what part of that fight was mediocre? The part where he outboxed the shit out of him before and AFTER taking a shot that would have put 99% of fighters out on their feet. Yeah really mediocre.
I agree, Nogueira showed a hell of a lot of heart in that fight. He took Herring down pretty much at will, outstruck him (with the exception of the kick) and generally controlled the entire pace of the fight. Not sure which fight jasvll was watching.
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that's what i'm waiting for. calling the author names isn't really making their point clear.
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that's what i'm waiting for. calling the author names isn't really making their point clear.
I'm not calling the author a dumbass.
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1. Pride fighters have struggled to adapt to the octogon.

Remember how Mirko Cro Cop was supposed to dominate UFC and take Couture's title? Well that never worked out. Dan Henderson faded in his unifaction with Rampage Jackson, who is one of the rare pride guys to succeed in the octogon.


Comparing Fedor to other Pride fighters is simply ludicrous. Rampage started his career off fighting in a cage, so he knows the ins and outs of cage-fighting, unlike Nogueira, Cro Cop AND Henderson (whose last cage battles were 9-10 years ago).

Fedor has fought in both cage and ring settings, and his style is VERY similar to Randy's but dare I say it, MUCH more ferocious.



2. Level of competition.

Fedor has with all due respct not exactly beaten the best around lately.Matt lindland is a great fighter but he is a middleweight contender not a heavyweight or even lightheavyweight. 2 wins over a badly faded Mark Coleman who was years past his prime. Same goes for Kevin Randleman. Nayoa Ogawa and Yuji Nagata were pro wrestlers the only real top notch competition has been Antonio Noguiera who has struggled in UFC and Cro Cop who has been a major bust.


So because Nogueira almost got KO'd he's all of a sudden a can or "struggling"? Give me a break. Until Fedor came along, everyone thought that Nogueira would always hold the heavyweight crown.

Comparing UFC Cro Cop to Pride Cro Cop is absolutely ridiculous as well. If you look at the Cro Cop that KO'd Silva, Aleksander, Vovchanchyn, etc you're looking at a completely different fighter. The ring was MUCH better suited to Cro Cop and to suggest that his success in Pride was due to a lack of good competition is ridiculously insulting.



3. Never count out Randy Couture.

Period. How many times can he keep pulling out the wins? That is the question from the doubters well I say lets give him the benefit of the doubt until he is 100% done and beaten.Fedor Emelianenko may dominate MMA for a long time, but he has to come to where the best competition is, and that is the UFC. Until then I will have a real hard time Worshiping him like the rest of the MMA world seems to.

Besides: maybe Couture will pull another "miracle" out again. I will not bet against him.


What does this have to do with anything? Yes, don't count Randy out. But don't count Fedor out either. Everyone thought Fedor was screwed against Hunt, Fujita and Randleman. Look at how quickly he turned those fights around and came out the winner.

Happy with that breakdown of a completely flawed argument? The guy can't even spell octagon.

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So other then getting caught with the head kick what part of that fight was mediocre? The part where he outboxed the shit out of him before and AFTER taking a shot that would have put 99% of fighters out on their feet. Yeah really mediocre.
Again, relative to expectations.
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Couture's losses to good fighters:
Chuck
Ricco
Vitor


Then he lost to:
Valentijn Overeem
Mikhail Illoukhine
Enson Inuoe

WTF?


How do you compare 16-8 to 26-1?

Fedor has fought better competition than Randy as well, so to say Randy is better than Fedor is completely illogical until they fight. You can't knock perfection. Quit trying.
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1. Pride fighters have struggled to adapt to the octogon.

Remember how Mirko Cro Cop was supposed to dominate UFC and take Couture's title? Well that never worked out. Dan Henderson faded in his unifaction with Rampage Jackson, who is one of the rare pride guys to succeed in the octogon.

Comparing Fedor to other Pride fighters is simply ludicrous. Rampage started his career off fighting in a cage, so he knows the ins and outs of cage-fighting, unlike Nogueira, Cro Cop AND Henderson (whose last cage battles were 9-10 years ago).

Fedor has fought in both cage and ring settings, and his style is VERY similar to Randy's but dare I say it, MUCH more ferocious.


2. Level of competition.

Fedor has with all due respct not exactly beaten the best around lately.Matt lindland is a great fighter but he is a middleweight contender not a heavyweight or even lightheavyweight. 2 wins over a badly faded Mark Coleman who was years past his prime. Same goes for Kevin Randleman. Nayoa Ogawa and Yuji Nagata were pro wrestlers the only real top notch competition has been Antonio Noguiera who has struggled in UFC and Cro Cop who has been a major bust.

So because Nogueira almost got KO'd he's all of a sudden a can or "struggling"? Give me a break. Until Fedor came along, everyone thought that Nogueira would always hold the heavyweight crown.

Comparing UFC Cro Cop to Pride Cro Cop is absolutely ridiculous as well. If you look at the Cro Cop that KO'd Silva, Aleksander, Vovchanchyn, etc you're looking at a completely different fighter. The ring was MUCH better suited to Cro Cop and to suggest that his success in Pride was due to a lack of good competition is ridiculously insulting.


3. Never count out Randy Couture.

Period. How many times can he keep pulling out the wins? That is the question from the doubters well I say lets give him the benefit of the doubt until he is 100% done and beaten.Fedor Emelianenko may dominate MMA for a long time, but he has to come to where the best competition is, and that is the UFC. Until then I will have a real hard time Worshiping him like the rest of the MMA world seems to.

Besides: maybe Couture will pull another "miracle" out again. I will not bet against him.

What does this have to do with anything? Yes, don't count Randy out. But don't count Fedor out either. Everyone thought Fedor was screwed against Hunt, Fujita and Randleman. Look at how quickly he turned those fights around and came out the winner.
Finally, someone takes the time to address the content of the article.
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Happy with that breakdown of a completely flawed argument? The guy can't even spell octagon.
I find it interesting that after addressing his argument, you still felt the need to make claims about it that would have been revealed by a solid rebuttal as well as attack his spelling, which has nothing to do with the argument itself. My guess is that you're either not as confident in your counter-argument as you claim, or you're taking the author's words a bit too personally. Your avatar and username lead me to think it's the latter.
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And Nog being mediocre in his first fight is unbelievable.

Getting caught happens...he took a clean kick to the head. Most, scratch that, anyone else would have gone out. Nog went on to outbox Herring the rest of the fight. Mediocre? More like heart and willpower.


This writer sounds like he just joined the MMA business.
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Couture's losses to good fighters:
Chuck
Ricco
Vitor


Then he lost to:
Valentijn Overeem
Mikhail Illoukhine
Enson Inuoe

WTF?


How do you compare 16-8 to 26-1?

Fedor has fought better competition than Randy as well, so to say Randy is better than Fedor is completely illogical until they fight. You can't knock perfection. Quit trying.
Did you read the article? The author described Couture beating Fedor as a miracle.

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And Nog being mediocre in his first fight is unbelievable.

Getting caught happens...he took a clean kick to the head. Most, scratch that, anyone else would have gone out. Nog went on to outbox Herring the rest of the fight. Mediocre? More like heart and willpower.


This writer sounds like he just joined the MMA business.
The author said Nogueira 'struggled' in the UFC. Perhaps you should read the article before commenting on it or the author's merit?
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Did you read the article? The author described Couture beating Fedor as a miracle.

The author didn't mention Nogueira. Perhaps you should read the article before commenting on it or the author's merit?

Actually sir, in the first postI was referencing previous posts in the thread, not the author himself. For example...


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I agree with pretty much everything he had to say. I know a lot of people are all over fedors nuts which is fine and all but the ufc is doing fine with out him if he wants to go to a little mma league please do you will no longer be considered the best in the world.
Fedor's record stands for itself. He could fight teenagers for the rest of his life and his record would still be head and shoulders above any other HW.


And another example:

I was referencing the article when talking about Nog:
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So yes, I did read the article and yes I was responding intelligently.






But the smug little wink thing you got going really adds a lot to the discussion. Just words, no icons. K?
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