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Old 09-22-2007, 01:48 AM   #11 (permalink)
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Seriously a if someone pulled off a pile driver with the intention of hurting someone thye would break the other persons neck, I mean alot of professional wrestlers have been paralyzed by botched piledrivers were they didnt get taken care of.

It is stupid to believe that someone would try to piledrive there opponant as the positioning of it really isnt a natural stance you would find yourself in a fight, it really isnt relevant in a real fight.
Bob Sapp has done a pseudo pile driver and Rampage has attempted one before.

As mentioned by others, picking up a guy who jumps to help you out or even just holds still is very, very different form picking up someone who is squirming and struggling. I can easily pick up and press over my head my own bodyweight on a barbell (175 - 180 lbs.)> I'm pretty convinced that I couldn't do that with a 175 lbs. person. The weight distribution is what makes it hard. Add to that the person struggling against me, and it becomes even more absurd.
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Old 09-22-2007, 02:07 AM   #12 (permalink)
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Well someone fighting back stops that a lot, but its still possible. Problem is, when someone is fighting the slam, it wastes a lot of energy. Look at Bob Sapp vs Nog, using that much muscle uses tons of oxygen.
I don't see why people think these big fat roid heads have a chance against good heavyweights. Even guys like Randleman and Cole have to train cardio and Brock is much bigger than either fighter. I doubt he's done much specific training for cardio to prepare for “wrestling” matches; WWE looks more like crowd pleasing stunts and dry humping fat guys and not much that would be comparable to a fast paced MMA fight.

He'll have to slim down quite a bit and do tons of cardio to even have a chance at lasting 3 rounds with a decent fighter.
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Old 09-22-2007, 02:18 AM   #13 (permalink)
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I don't see why people think these big fat roid heads have a chance against good heavyweights. Even guys like Randleman and Cole have to train cardio and Brock is much bigger than either fighter. I doubt he's done much specific training for cardio to prepare for “wrestling” matches; WWE looks more like crowd pleasing stunts and dry humping fat guys and not much that would be comparable to a fast paced MMA fight.

He'll have to slim down quite a bit and do tons of cardio to even have a chance at lasting 3 rounds with a decent fighter.
Well clearly you have never watched wrestling. They need pretty good cardio do to the stuff they do, they're running and doing acrobatics for around 15-20 minutes with some matches lasting as long as an hour. You should see them at the end of a good long match. They are sweating tons. IMO pro-wrestling requires around the same amount of cardio as MMA, possibly a bit less due to some periods of inactivity.
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:49 AM   #14 (permalink)
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Well clearly you have never watched wrestling. They need pretty good cardio do to the stuff they do, they're running and doing acrobatics for around 15-20 minutes with some matches lasting as long as an hour. You should see them at the end of a good long match. They are sweating tons. IMO pro-wrestling requires around the same amount of cardio as MMA, possibly a bit less due to some periods of inactivity.
OK so first off Brock is a monster point blank, he's not the joke some people make him out to be but he has a lot to learn about MMA sub defense and striking would be at the top of that list but he is a legitimate amateur wrestler with a very good record so I can see him doing well in MMA with some hard work.

That said Im out of shape and I can do hour long calisthenics. I can play basketball full court even if Im dragging my ass at times in the game. I can go to my martial arts class and practice for a hour and a half (not all in the same week mind you)

But in a real fight Ive got a good 5-6 minutes and if I dont have the results Im looking for in that amount of time Im probably going to get my ass kicked lol, real fighting takes so much more out of you than a lot of other sports that IMO you have to be in better shape for MMA than you would need to be for other sports not that you dont have to be in shape to do the WWE stuff but its just not the same.
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Ya this Brock guy is a Farce. The NFL must be so embarrassed from his stint with the Vikings. Give me a break!

This guy is a Freak Athlete. Runs a 4.65sec 40, Benches 475lbs with a squat of 700. Not too mention his wrestling background - 4 time All-American wrestler and NCAA Champion. I don't see how anyone wouldn't be excited to see a guy like this in the UFC...

but dude...he was a wwe wrestler!!!!
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Well, Piledrivers are amazing moves and all, but thankfully they are forbidden in almost all MMA organisations. They work brilliantly in real fights, but you have a really high chance of killing someone.

To ESPADA9, Brocks been training his ass off for MMA, youd be a fool to think he was relying on his wrestling/acrobatics training to compete in MMA.

And everything Bebop said.
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Old 09-22-2007, 05:38 AM   #17 (permalink)
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lesnar is a legitimate fighter.

i've seen his work our routine some years ago on TV, and it was INTENSE. he has good cardio, believe me.
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Old 09-22-2007, 06:17 AM   #18 (permalink)
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He IS a legitimate fighter. But that alone doesn't mean he can just kill everybody in the HW division as easy as he makes a peanut butter sandwitch.

And yes he may be freakishly strong, but going for max weight all the time just makes you gas early. After all everyone who trains mma train in gyms as much for muscle endurance as for pure strength.

I see him in need of more experience before being a major force.
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This is what lesnar should do in his first fight lol
YouTube - lesnar breaks hollys neck

Thats the proper way to do a powerbomb.
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