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Old 09-22-2007, 03:09 PM   #31 (permalink)
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so my question is what would stop Brock from lets say just picking up a guy and slamming him? i mean he could just grab someone and piledriver(is that legal?) him. from what im seeing, hes lifted guys twice his weight so what would stop him from lifting someone his OWN weight? i could definately picture him picking someone up and slamming them 2-3 times until they get knocked out
I hope that this is a serious question and you just don't understand how the game works, because otherwise I'm just wasting my time.

Brock Lesnar is 285 pounds, who's he picking up that's twice his weight?

Anyway, Here's what any big strong heavyweight has a problem with:

1) When you are trying to actually slam an opponent, he's going to try and tear your head off. If you expect to rely on brute strength (which is what it sounds like your suggesting) a guy like Sylvia or even a smaller striker like Vera would feed him a knee, open up some distance and put him to sleep. That's your first major problem.

2) The second is getting your opponents legs off of the ground. If I remember right (and I haven't watched pro wrestling in a really long time) a piledriver requires getting your opponents legs all of the way up in the air. With an opponent resisting, even an uncoordinated guy can fail and either bridge over his own stomach or over his opponents back to make that position really difficult.

3) You're forgetting how untechnical these techniques are. The most powerful effective technique that Lesnar knows is probably a suplex, and even that is going to be really difficult because no professional fighter is going to let Lesnar get his hips under them in open space so he has room and position to land one of those.

4) You're forgetting jiu-jitsu. A fighter with a BJJ backround (or any kind of fighting knowledge) is going to pull guard and control position on Lesnar. If he pulls up to slam he's going to get hit with a hip sweep or armbarred. Even a standard jiu-jitsu practitioner can pull that off, if it was Monson or Werdum or Nogueira, it'd be much more exciting.

There are a few more, but I think that should give you a pretty good idea.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:16 PM   #32 (permalink)
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Screw a piledriver,

I wanna see Lesnar do an F5.
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Old 09-22-2007, 03:22 PM   #33 (permalink)
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Brock Lesnar is 285 pounds, who's he picking up that's twice his weight?
Not twice his weight, but the guy is just under 500 lbs:
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:09 PM   #34 (permalink)
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Wow I have been away awhile.. Apperently people seem to think Brock is not going to train for MMA at all.. Now I see some of you have seen the light and realize that BRock is an Awesome Athlete. He has also been training in some of the best gyms around.. AS for his first fight.. TRue that guy did not put up much of a fught but brock just totally overpowered him like he was a small boy. And while it was Brocks first time to the dance I understand it was not his opponents first time. As for his amature back ground... He has a record I doubt any MMA fighter can match in college or high school 33-0 in high school and in college... 1999 he finished 2nd in the NCAA Championships and won it in 2000
four-time all-American, two-time big-ten Champion with a record of 106-5 overall in four years of college. Simply put The man is awesome and with some extra training mainly in striking and and some extra submission work... coupled with his freakish strength, (whihc if I understand he has not used steroids but did or does use HGH, human growth hormone, ) he should become a force in MMA UNLESS.... it turns out he has a glass jaw or something like that.. his WWE background is actually not a hinderence I feel and may actually help him long run. Here is how... In MMA a fighter fights a match about once every 3 months.. in WWE while an individual match may not be as punnishing over all as a single MMA fight they do an average of 2-3 a week, along with all kinds of travel. That means performing though many injuries and such that an MMA fighter would not step into the ring with where those in the WWE really have no choice. Now that is not to say anything against MMA fighters but as we all know the potential for life threatening injury in MMA is greater then in WWE ( barring freak accidents and such) So it stands to reason an MMA fighter needs to be 100% injury free. Its only fair to himself, his opponent and the fans... in WWE they can alter the "script" to hide some injuries and still keep the storyline going.. but it does take alot of mental toughness to still go out there in pain and act as if nothing is wrong..

To sum up.. barring and injuries or things like a glass jaw.. inthe long run Brock has every tool needed to be a force in MMA.. regardless of which show he is in at the time.
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Old 09-22-2007, 04:15 PM   #35 (permalink)
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so my question is what would stop Brock from lets say just picking up a guy and slamming him? i mean he could just grab someone and piledriver(is that legal?) him. from what im seeing, hes lifted guys twice his weight so what would stop him from lifting someone his OWN weight? i could definately picture him picking someone up and slamming them 2-3 times until they get knocked out
I've seen Minowa use a piledriver before, but when the other guy is fighting you, and not helping you get him up as in pro wrestling, it's pretty tough. Also, as already mentioned, moves spiking a guy directly on the top of his head are illegal in UFC.
But sure, he could slam someone. It's not like that's never been done in MMA before, and he's a strong guy.

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Old 09-22-2007, 04:31 PM   #36 (permalink)
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Brock has trained with MFS Elite, Pat even said a while back that "Give him 1 year and he will be a force" that was probably a year and a half ago i think. Brock said after his fight in K-1 that he had not trained with Royce, they couldnt get their scheduals together, but he still hoped to train with him, so i dont know if he has trained with him or not.


the only arguement im hearing is that he was in wwe..... well Sakuraba started out as a pro wrestler in japan... i think he turned out to be an ok fighter.
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